Scottish Greens expel 13 members for declaring “sex is a biological reality”.

Maremia

How many negative Scottish threads is that now Urmstongran?

Do you think that what’s going on is positive, Maremia?

A Scottish Greens spokesperson said: “We can confirm disciplinary action was taken against 13 individuals over a breach of our membership policy, which has resulted in their immediate expulsion from the party.

Disciplinary action? For speaking the truth?

Maremia

How many negative Scottish threads is that now Urmstongran?

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It's news, it's important and it was about the Green Party which seems to be on the rise in UK politics, not just Scottish, often by forming agreements with parties which are in power.

I thought the Green Party had important messages for us about the future of our planet but it seems they are becoming distracted.

Thank you for bringing it to our attention, Urmstongran.

How many negative Scottish threads is that now Urmstongran?

Several Scottish Greens are now being subjected to hate crimes because of this. Surely that can't be right?
No. It’s no more right than the hate crimes practised against females like JKR who want to protect female safe spaces.
Both are equally wrong and both caused by the lie that you can change sex or the refusal to accept that lie.

Maybe not Mollygo but this entire thread is concentrating on the one headline grabbing unfortunate comment by someone I had never heard of throwing all those who are in favour of a fairer, greener, more peaceful world into the same pit.

Several Scottish Greens are now being subjected to hate crimes because of this. Surely that can't be right?

Grammaretto

greens.scot

Now if you were to get your information from source and not from the dailyexpress or other dubious authority, you might be pleasantly surprised.
The Scottish Greens are not all about gender identity after all.

Are you disputing that they expelled 13 members because they signed a declaration that sex is biological and immutable, and that women should be entitled to single sex spaces?

A Scottish Greens spokesperson said: “We can confirm disciplinary action was taken against 13 individuals over a breach of our membership policy, which has resulted in their immediate expulsion from the party.

“The welfare of all our members is our primary concern. The [Conduct and Complaints Committee] process found that the members were in breach of our code of conduct.

“Next month is Pride month and we hope this decisive action will send a clear message that we stand in solidarity with the LGBTQ+ community now and forever.”

No one has claimed that Scottish Greens are all about gender identity, but when one of their candidates posts things like this, it’s what you hear about Greens.
The trans (male) Sophie Molly tweeted,
As a Scottish Green General Election Candidate I formerly ask @joannaccherry if she will call me a woman? It will be extremely disrespectful and transphobic if she does not or refuses to answer.
How can anyone refusing to lie be called disrespectful?
How can anyone threatening to call people names if they won’t lie be called respectful?

greens.scot

Now if you were to get your information from source and not from the dailyexpress or other dubious authority, you might be pleasantly surprised.
The Scottish Greens are not all about gender identity after all.

Good name for them- you’d have to be really green to vote for them. A shame because they could have been a good party but unfortunately they have had a commonsense bypass.

The animals are in charge of the Zoo I think. Fed up with woke, considering people with crackpot ideas such as 32 genders, load of rubbish. Ladies having a penis.

The Greens are oppressive if they’re expelling party members for stating the truth. It’s not an ideological thing to state sex is a biological reality. It’s ideological to deny that scientific fact.

As Oreo said upthread - a vote for the Greens is a wasted vote

Greens should concentrate on “green issues”, surely it’s their entire raison d’etre (isn’t it??)

I opt out of any organisation that tells me how I must think/feel about every issue under the sun and it doesn't matter if I think their opinion is the right one. I try to listen and consider other peoples' views even when I initially think them nonsensical, and don't expect other people to subscribe to my views just because they are my views. I would like the same respect and consideration in return. Trying to force your views on other people is just dictatorship and doesn't allow for the possibility that you may be wrong and others may be right. I dislike bullies intensely.

Rosie51

^It's being forced to accept that the naked Emperor is wearing clothes when everyone knows he's not but isn't allowed to say so.^ that's it in a nutshell! Anyone who understands the most basic facts about biology knows sex is determined at conception and is immutable. But, the 'be kind' mantra demands you suspend facts, logic and even common sense and enter the world of fantasy ideology. Anyone is exactly what they say they are, even when that is clearly a lie, but to deny that is to admit 'you're so stupid you can't see the Emperor's new clothes' And cowards agree and nod approval.
It will turn eventually, as the ugly duckling turned into a swan, eyes will be opened and professing yourself to be blind and stupid won't be so attractive and the back-pedalling could probably power the nation, but reality eventually persists.

I think Rosie51 that the "be kind" incantation is an iron hand in a velvet glove. And the mantra has spread to other societal, political and cultural matters. To the point where anyone who wants to delve into an 'issue' with any degree of intellectual or thoughtful consideration will quickly find themselves labelled as judgemental - through questioning an accepted premise.

What do I mean? Well, my best friend is gaining weight at an alarming rate because, for some reason, she is over-eating and eating all the wrong things. It's having an effect on her health - I see her huffing and puffing over slight exertion. However, she has subscribed to the "big-is-beautiful" ideology and says she doesn't care what people think.

So, do I go along with this in order to 'be kind' or do I -because I care about her, tell her that she is setting herself up for possible future health problems and ask her why she is suddenly eating to excess?

If I do the first, I am following society's current ideology - I am a nice person being 'kind'. If I do the latter - I am judgemental. And the while, I watch her becoming increasingly dissatisfied with her life (because she doesn't quite believe the 'big-is-beautiful' mantra) and I am silent. Which is cowardly, because really I should be telling her the truth - in the same way I would if she were starving herself and becoming stick-thin, when 'society' would congratulate and approve my intervention. What, though, is the difference? Over or under eating both damage people's health, that is a fact. But, one has become acceptable - even promoted, if you look at some of the more trashier media where women - and men - are defiantly bulging out of their clothes, demanding that "Karens" and "Kevins" stop criticising them because they are simply jealous of the fact that they are hot. They have become media sensations!

Because I don't want to "fat-shame" - I go along with this. But it's nonsense. Would I watch my own offspring over-eating or under-eating without concern? No, I wouldn't, so why should I think it's OK for others to damage themselves?

OK, I've strayed off the point. And the point is that we appear to have now reached the stage where open and honest debate is almost prohibited, because it calls into question other people's assertions or group-think. And this is now no longer acceptable.

I don't think I am judgemental; I try not to comment disparagingly on people's appearances; I accept that everyone is 'different' in their dress or behaviour, I don't think people are ugly because they are overweight, I respect anyone's right to be what they want to be or identify with whatever they want to identify with, but I am not going to pretend that the naked Emperor is wearing clothes.

I am very disappointed in the Scottish Greens. They could - should - have been pressing for improvements to the rail network, increasing tidal power etc instead of spending their time on this rubbish.

The list system we have for the Scottish Parliament, Urmstongran, is the only way we get Greens or Tories in any numbers, so it does help those who feel disenfranchised in Westminster elections. Not everything up here is a bad idea!

charley68

I really think that the 'Greens' have lost the plot, I thought their main focus at one time was the environment and Green issues, and not denying that natal women exist.

I’m not sure they ever had the plot in the first place.A vote for Greens is a wasted vote.

Blimey!

Now it’s wrong to state or even think the obvious…

I wish I had a time machine so I could go back to my childhood in the 50's and remind myself what normality was like.

It's being forced to accept that the naked Emperor is wearing clothes when everyone knows he's not but isn't allowed to say so. that's it in a nutshell! Anyone who understands the most basic facts about biology knows sex is determined at conception and is immutable. But, the 'be kind' mantra demands you suspend facts, logic and even common sense and enter the world of fantasy ideology. Anyone is exactly what they say they are, even when that is clearly a lie, but to deny that is to admit 'you're so stupid you can't see the Emperor's new clothes' And cowards agree and nod approval.
It will turn eventually, as the ugly duckling turned into a swan, eyes will be opened and professing yourself to be blind and stupid won't be so attractive and the back-pedalling could probably power the nation, but reality eventually persists.

Smileless2012

So anyone who isn't daft enough to think that sex isn't a biological reality, doesn't stand with the LGBTQ+ community.

You couldn't make it up could you.

If biological sex as a protected characteristic, as a biological fact is not to be spoken of it means we have to accept that trans rights trumps women's rights to designated and safe spaces.

Therefore, the mere fact that you believe in biological reality means that not only do you not stand with the LGBTQ+ community, it means you are transphobic. According to their logic.

It's dangerous nonsense. It's being forced to accept that the naked Emperor is wearing clothes when everyone knows he's not but isn't allowed to say so.

Blossoming

53 expelled? There can’t be many left by now.

Just noticed my typing error blushing

mae13

I think we need to quadruple the height of Hadrian's Wall to keep out the confusingly radical (and frankly crackpot) ideas currently thriving and multiplying over the border.
We have problems enough South of the Border, thanks very much.

Greens aren't just Scottish though 🙂

Honestly, there is so much to worry about with climate changes, pollution of our rivers, lakes and seas, plastic polluting the seas and killing wildlife that you'd think they wouldn't have the time for these nonsense ideas.

I think we need to quadruple the height of Hadrian's Wall to keep out the confusingly radical (and frankly crackpot) ideas currently thriving and multiplying over the border.
We have problems enough South of the Border, thanks very much.

Urmstongran

Ye gods. So let me get this right, the Greens have welcomed Islamists into their midst who would throw homosexuals off the roof of tall buildings but have expelled those that (quite rightly) believe that there are only two sexes? Furthermore, they believe that Lesbians should fancy blokes dressed up as women, who think they are women.

What a muddled up bunch!

Next month is Pride month, and we hope this decisive action will send a clear message that we stand in solidarity with the LGBTQ+ community, now and forever.”
Does anyone actually care? Grow up for goodness sake.

Furthermore, they believe that Lesbians should fancy blokes dressed up as women, who think they are women.

Are they actually saying that? That lesbians should be attracted to transwomen - even if they have their full genitalia?

Are you sure that they are actually dictating who people should fancy? If so, it's diabolical and they should be slapped down.

A man says he 'feels' like a woman, so a lesbian has got to be attracted to him?

... maybe next on the list is women being compelled to be attracted to transmen - because a woman feels like a man?

I can hardly believe it - but it wouldn't surprise me.