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Germanshepherdsmum Sun 02-Jun-24 12:15:06

Labour says we should be self sufficient in energy and then says it won’t grant any more licences for oil and gas exploration in the North Sea. Vast numbers of households are wholly dependent on oil and gas for heating and cooking. They really have no idea.

Grandmabatty Sat 01-Jun-24 16:34:04

From the energy monitor.
'Following the release of the draft energy plan, Scotland is now consulting on whether “there should be a presumption against new exploration for oil and gas”. This is what the International Energy Agency recommends globally to limit temperature rise to 1.5°C.

It is worth noting that as a devolved government, this is also an area where Scotland’s remit is limited – North Sea oil and gas licensing and regulation is entirely the remit of the UK government.'
Westminster has the final day in what happens to energy in Scotland. The Scottish government can put forward proposals but Westminster can and do, veto them

DiamondLily Sat 01-Jun-24 16:02:43

Well, of course there is no solution (in the short term at least). A combination of events and 14 years of the Tories has wrecked our economy.

Anyone expecting anything to change much is likely to end up disappointed.

Grantanow Sat 01-Jun-24 15:55:57

I've noticed that politicians being asked an interview question on TV often give a lengthy potted history of the issue which squeezes out the time left for a real answer which they then never deliver.

Tizliz Tue 28-May-24 18:46:37

M0nica

What the SNP man should have been talking about what the SNP is going to do to gradually wind down the North Sea oil and gas industry working out of Aberdeen and replace it by new industries that can benefit from the presence of offshore wind farms providing lots of clean cheap energy. Not to mention the potential of tidal power and possible a nuclear power plant.

He didn’t mention any of that!

M0nica Tue 28-May-24 14:31:00

What the SNP man should have been talking about what the SNP is going to do to gradually wind down the North Sea oil and gas industry working out of Aberdeen and replace it by new industries that can benefit from the presence of offshore wind farms providing lots of clean cheap energy. Not to mention the potential of tidal power and possible a nuclear power plant.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 28-May-24 13:17:35

Do you have a crystal ball wwm? (You keep talking about prophets too.) If R&D continue ‘as normal’ without the current tax concessions for UK exploration and development, then there are two possibilities: 1 - profits fall and therefore the windfall tax doesn’t bring in the money on which Labour’s expenditure is predicated; 2 - R&D doesn’t continue ‘as normal’ and jobs go. My experience of taxation on companies is that it has a way of finding its way down to the price the consumer pays.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 28-May-24 13:10:46

Whitewavemark2 I would have thought you would support energy companies investing in Green Energy, surely you do not expect them to carry out R & D for free?

Whitewavemark2 Tue 28-May-24 13:08:01

Germanshepherdsmum

There is already a windfall tax on oil and gas companies. Don’t you worry that a further windfall tax, and closing what Labour call ‘loopholes’ such as tax relief on exploration and development in the UK, will have an adverse effect on the price and availability of oil and gas wwm?

What you are not recognising is the fact that this will have been factored in by the energy companies. Their prophet margins will hardly be affected. R&D will continue as normal.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 28-May-24 13:05:47

Oops crossed posts GSM

GrannyGravy13 Tue 28-May-24 13:05:16

Whitewavemark2

Bring on the windfall tax I say. The industry made eye watering prophets when our bills went through the roof.

They have already factored in the tax - they work years ahead - so I say let’s use it to create our green energy and more jobs.

The energy industry is already eyeing this as a possible investment. So it is a win win as they will get the money back by investing in green energy etc.

The EPL (energy profits levy) which is a windfall tax on oil and gas companies has been extended by this Government up until 31st March 2029.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 28-May-24 13:04:57

There is already a windfall tax on oil and gas companies. Don’t you worry that a further windfall tax, and closing what Labour call ‘loopholes’ such as tax relief on exploration and development in the UK, will have an adverse effect on the price and availability of oil and gas wwm?

OldFrill Tue 28-May-24 12:58:44

It's rather late to be eyeing up green energy opportunities, Scotland is being decimated by foreign companies. There's not much green about 'green' energy.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 28-May-24 12:55:13

Bring on the windfall tax I say. The industry made eye watering prophets when our bills went through the roof.

They have already factored in the tax - they work years ahead - so I say let’s use it to create our green energy and more jobs.

The energy industry is already eyeing this as a possible investment. So it is a win win as they will get the money back by investing in green energy etc.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 28-May-24 12:46:41

Labour not only want to increase the windfall tax on oil and gas companies, they want to close any tax loopholes’ (not my word) which benefit them - that includes the concession allowing them to claim tax relief for exploration and development in the UK. So maybe your SNP man might not have oil and gas jobs to be concerned about. Maybe what he was trying to say, without mentioning the Conservatives, was that they will protect and increase those jobs - Labour won’t.

Tizliz Tue 28-May-24 12:02:04

I was listening to the SNP leader in the HoC on radio Scotland this morning going on about how important it is to keep the jobs in the oil industry/Aberdeen. He went on for 10 mins without the slightest idea of a solution, do MPs actually know anything?

I was driven out of bed early 🙁