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Donald Trump a convicted felon

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Oreo Thu 30-May-24 22:13:39

Trump has been found guilty on all 34 charges by a united jury!

NotSpaghetti Sat 01-Jun-24 00:36:52

If anyone's interested and hasn't been following this particular podcast already, this latest one is interesting as it discuses the verdict, what happens now and what is most likely to happen to Trump.

Veteran prosecutors Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord discuss and dissect the cases against former President Donald Trump, including the historic indictments from the Manhattan D.A., Special Counsel Jack Smith and Fulton County D.A. Fani Willis

link.chtbl.com/kKDwm9Yw

Syracute Fri 31-May-24 23:11:02

Primrose53

I think it WILL backfire on the Anti Trumpers. Let’s face it - the alternative is an old boy who doesn’t know where he is, can’t walk up steps and doesn’t know what he is talking about. Mind you, they’re not really voting for him but the faceless person pulling his strings.

Again : Nonsense ! Biden is doing just fine and if the tabloid press wants to exaggerate every misstep that comes with travel and the big decisions that come with the Ptesidential office … well that sells papers for naive people to read . Trump spent most of his time watching Fox News . You only have to read what his previous advisors have said about him : he was a danger that always had to be looked out for !

Syracute Fri 31-May-24 22:57:48

Urmstongran

It’s shocking what they’re doing to Trump, I hope the American people are watching closely and realise what lengths the Democrats will go to to silence the opposition they’ll be sorry come November.

I am a US citizen and a New Yorker your statement is offensive! This implies that the hard work of 12 jurors during the Trump trial was for nothing ? That Trump is somehow innocent ? He is not and is guilty and it took many years of collecting proper evidence . I applaud the hard work of the District Attorney and the jurors who gave up a part of their lives to make sure that justice was served!
This is Trump’s true legacy:
34 felony convictions
54 pending criminal charges
2 impeachments
2 popular vote losses
$88M owed to E Jean Carroll
$450M owed for civil fraud
$8T added to nat'l debt
2.9M net loss of jobs

Is this what Trump meant when he promised "numbers like we've never seen"?

petra Fri 31-May-24 22:46:26

According to the betting pundits it looks as if my bet on Trump to win is still relatively safe.

MaizieD Fri 31-May-24 22:39:08

Ladyleftfieldlover

I think Urns might be jesting.

No, she's utterly, deadly serious.

Ladyleftfieldlover Fri 31-May-24 22:26:15

I think Urns might be jesting.

Primrose53 Fri 31-May-24 22:12:23

I think it WILL backfire on the Anti Trumpers. Let’s face it - the alternative is an old boy who doesn’t know where he is, can’t walk up steps and doesn’t know what he is talking about. Mind you, they’re not really voting for him but the faceless person pulling his strings.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 31-May-24 22:09:39

Urmstongran

It’s shocking what they’re doing to Trump, I hope the American people are watching closely and realise what lengths the Democrats will go to to silence the opposition they’ll be sorry come November.

Urms, I cannot believe you are saying this. I really cannot.

Dickens Fri 31-May-24 21:57:42

Urmstongran

Boris Johnson has dismissed Donald Trump’s conviction as the result of a liberal “hit job” that would only make his re-election more likely.

The former prime minister, who enjoyed warm relations with the then president while in office, said: “This was no ordinary political assassination. This was a machine-gun mob-style hit-job on Trump.”

But he said the “anti-Trump lawfare is backfiring”, and has “helped to make his victory more likely, not less” in his rematch with Joe Biden.

Interesting!

But he said the “anti-Trump lawfare is backfiring”, and has “helped to make his victory more likely, not less” in his rematch with Joe Biden.

He's probably right in his assumption.

But I think one could view their warm relationship with some cynicism... more as one of political expediency, one of convenience for Johnson - bearing in mind he is on record as saying some rather unflattering things about Trump - accusing him of stupefying ignorance, saying he was unfit for office, when he was mayor of London.

MaizieD Fri 31-May-24 21:54:35

I'm getting the distinct impression that sane and rational Americans are becoming extremely fearful of Trump's complete contempt for the law of the land and the threat of violence from his cult followers.

So would I be, especially in a country where any psychopath can buy themselves a whole armoury of deadly weapons. And most of them are Trump cultists.

MayBee70 Fri 31-May-24 21:43:01

Nmama

I don't know if this is factual, but since someone asked what he was like as a child: apparently some neighbor had left her baby in the back garden, heard it crying, and went out to find that Trump, around 6 years old, was throwing rocks at the pram. I cannot IMAGINE what in his childhood would give him the idea that doing that was amusing or acceptable. To me it seems like he was a sociopath even as a child.

This, however, IS factual: his parents and teachers found him so difficult that they sent him away to school, to a military academy. They didn't send any of their other children away to school-not his two brothers, say.

I'm just sitting here in California hoping that his followers don't think this is a good time to riot. I hope that I am just being paranoid.

Normally, in a year with a presidential election, people would have bumper stickers on their cars stating "Biden" or "Trump"; sometimes people put up signs in their front gardens so that the world driving by can see which candidate they support. I live in a small town where there's a lot of support for Biden, but I have not seen a single bumper sticker or yard sign for him. I frankly am too scared to put one up (and it would be for Biden). On the other had, on the highway out of town--which goes through a rural area--I have seen three or four MASSIVE signs saying "TRUMP" and one saying "TRUMP OR DIE." Ick. I keep wondering what the person with the TRUMP OR DIE sign is going to do if Trump loses the election.

I got chatting to a lovely lady who originates from America and she said that, in the current political climate and with the threat of Trump being re elected she will not go back to visit her family. I remember chatting to someone else who was on holiday here who said that, back home in America Trump was such a divisive figure that support for him had split families. It’s nightmarish to think that he might become president again. My partner has said for years that all he is interested in is creating a Trump dynasty.

Urmstongran Fri 31-May-24 21:38:06

It’s shocking what they’re doing to Trump, I hope the American people are watching closely and realise what lengths the Democrats will go to to silence the opposition they’ll be sorry come November.

Urmstongran Fri 31-May-24 21:26:53

Boris Johnson has dismissed Donald Trump’s conviction as the result of a liberal “hit job” that would only make his re-election more likely.

The former prime minister, who enjoyed warm relations with the then president while in office, said: “This was no ordinary political assassination. This was a machine-gun mob-style hit-job on Trump.”

But he said the “anti-Trump lawfare is backfiring”, and has “helped to make his victory more likely, not less” in his rematch with Joe Biden.

Interesting!

Dickens Fri 31-May-24 21:21:26

Nmama

I don't know if this is factual, but since someone asked what he was like as a child: apparently some neighbor had left her baby in the back garden, heard it crying, and went out to find that Trump, around 6 years old, was throwing rocks at the pram. I cannot IMAGINE what in his childhood would give him the idea that doing that was amusing or acceptable. To me it seems like he was a sociopath even as a child.

This, however, IS factual: his parents and teachers found him so difficult that they sent him away to school, to a military academy. They didn't send any of their other children away to school-not his two brothers, say.

I'm just sitting here in California hoping that his followers don't think this is a good time to riot. I hope that I am just being paranoid.

Normally, in a year with a presidential election, people would have bumper stickers on their cars stating "Biden" or "Trump"; sometimes people put up signs in their front gardens so that the world driving by can see which candidate they support. I live in a small town where there's a lot of support for Biden, but I have not seen a single bumper sticker or yard sign for him. I frankly am too scared to put one up (and it would be for Biden). On the other had, on the highway out of town--which goes through a rural area--I have seen three or four MASSIVE signs saying "TRUMP" and one saying "TRUMP OR DIE." Ick. I keep wondering what the person with the TRUMP OR DIE sign is going to do if Trump loses the election.

Interesting post Nmama, from the 'front line' as it were.

The fact you - and others - are afraid to display a Biden-sticker is alarming, but not surprising, given the fervour of some Trump supporters, and what happened whilst lawmakers were convening inside Congress to certify Biden's presidency back in 2020. I'm choosing my words carefully here.

Let's hope that your fears, though understandable, are unfounded, and that the TRUMP OR DIE sticker is the sloganeering of an individual who is perhaps over-enthusiastic about showing his support for the man.

As for his childhood. I only get my information from the media, like most, so always take what is written with a light pinch of salt. However, his niece, Mary, talking about his childhood, believes he does not have the ability to laugh at himself, and that it stems from an incident where a bowl of mashed potato was dumped on his head by her father to stop him tormenting their younger brother, Robert. This story apparently entered family folklore and was brought up on family occasions with Donald present, and unable to see the 'funny' side of it.

But, if it is true, one has to take into consideration the fact that, funny as it may appear to an onlooker, it would be intensely humiliating to a young child, and being constantly reminded of such humiliation would actually upset quite a lot of people.

I wonder if his aggressive bluster and rhetoric could be a result of that, or similar, events in his childhood? He's frequently been described as a 'man-child' because he does give the impression of a petulant child. It's interesting- we are all formed by our childhood, in one way or another. Who knows.
Anyway, it's a long time until November. But in the political realm - it's fast paced. Who knows what will happen between now and then.

Thanks for an interesting post. I hope your fears are groundless.

Nmama Fri 31-May-24 19:37:27

I don't know if this is factual, but since someone asked what he was like as a child: apparently some neighbor had left her baby in the back garden, heard it crying, and went out to find that Trump, around 6 years old, was throwing rocks at the pram. I cannot IMAGINE what in his childhood would give him the idea that doing that was amusing or acceptable. To me it seems like he was a sociopath even as a child.

This, however, IS factual: his parents and teachers found him so difficult that they sent him away to school, to a military academy. They didn't send any of their other children away to school-not his two brothers, say.

I'm just sitting here in California hoping that his followers don't think this is a good time to riot. I hope that I am just being paranoid.

Normally, in a year with a presidential election, people would have bumper stickers on their cars stating "Biden" or "Trump"; sometimes people put up signs in their front gardens so that the world driving by can see which candidate they support. I live in a small town where there's a lot of support for Biden, but I have not seen a single bumper sticker or yard sign for him. I frankly am too scared to put one up (and it would be for Biden). On the other had, on the highway out of town--which goes through a rural area--I have seen three or four MASSIVE signs saying "TRUMP" and one saying "TRUMP OR DIE." Ick. I keep wondering what the person with the TRUMP OR DIE sign is going to do if Trump loses the election.

MaizieD Fri 31-May-24 19:15:14

Another very long twitter thread by the man I posted a link to earlier.

Seth Abramson was a US defence lawyer (presumably equivalent to a UK barrister). He wrote a biography of Trump and is now a journalist.

I hope he is bone fide. He is pretty damning about Trump but it rings very true.

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1796254817741885702.html

Siope Fri 31-May-24 19:13:22

I love local papers

varian Fri 31-May-24 18:39:26

madeleine45

Trump seems to think that if you keep saying everyone else is wrong he can get away with it., and will only have to believe it when he gets put in prison. Why would anyone want to vote for a self centred liar, totally untrustworthy , to be the president? I see that Farage is thinking of joining him too. Well it takes one to know one!! The thought that people actually want to have him as president beggars belief!

You've hit the nail on the head Madelaine

This is the secret of populism - you lie, and lie and lie again, because you think that if you tell the same lie enough times it becomes accepted as the truth.

This tactic actually works where you have client journalists and right-wing media repeating the lie on a daily basis.

So the Maga cult tells its supporters that Trump tells the truth, when in fact he lies through his teeth almost every time he opens his mouth.

The Maga cult insists that Trump won the 2020 Presidential election when more than 60 court cases, often in front of Trump appointed judges have found absolutely no evidence of election fraud. The fact is that Biden won - but Maga is not interested in facts. Trump' spokesperson Kellyanne Conway famously coined the phrase "alternative facts" - which actually means lies we need our supporters to believe.

mae13 Fri 31-May-24 18:10:50

What a whining, whinging, lying, slanderous, bullying, snivelling third-rate excuse for a man. Just heard him on the teatime news - same old, same old empty twaddle. Lord!

Freya5 Fri 31-May-24 17:24:19

Siope

Jaberwok

You show me, apart from perhaps Jimmy Carter, an unblemished President? They're ALL such crooks including Joe Biden, especially his son. Nixon anyone? Kennedy, Raegan? the list goes way back! Trump is no different from the average American President. He just broke the 11th commandment and got found out.

My husband, an American who has lived through 14 Presidents, most of them whilst in the USA, and my brother-in-law and my sister-in-law, who remember/have lived through every president since FDR assure me you don’t know what you’re doing asking about

Well Nixon only escaped criminalcharges due to his resignation, even gave up security arrangements, oh and the "pardonby his pal", American paper.

Freya5 Fri 31-May-24 17:20:55

Whitewavemark2

It is really quite bizarre - Trump, as a conflicted felon can no longer vote, but can stand for President.

It seems that Trump, contrary to his rhetoric, will be affected by this sentence. Independent (floating voters) are more likely to change their minds and turn away from Trump.

Read on CBS news, he can still vote, if he's not in prison.

madeleine45 Fri 31-May-24 17:07:36

Trump seems to think that if you keep saying everyone else is wrong he can get away with it., and will only have to believe it when he gets put in prison. Why would anyone want to vote for a self centred liar, totally untrustworthy , to be the president? I see that Farage is thinking of joining him too. Well it takes one to know one!! The thought that people actually want to have him as president beggars belief!

DiamondLily Fri 31-May-24 15:45:28

Syracute

The man is a convicted felon. He is not suitable for office or much else . He is also a failed businessman. He is a proven liar and cheat . He has more serious charges ahead that have yet to be brought to court . Subverting an election and the Jan 6 insurrection . It’s really dreadful to listen to any argument that this man is fit for office .

I agree. He’s totally unfit for anything. But, American politics is for Americans to vote on.

Hopefully, the ”sensible majority” will prevail.🙄

mae13 Fri 31-May-24 15:43:40

Wonder what Trump was like when a child? I can well imagine him making life hell for all the other kiddies in the Reception class.
The sort of spoilt bratty type who always shouts "me first" and "biggest piece of cake for me!"

Doodledog Fri 31-May-24 15:26:55

Aveline

Putin must be loving this. A divided US plus withdrawal from NATO would suit him perfectly.

Yes, it's worrying.