Donald Trump a convicted felon

He reminds me more and more of Stalin with everyone around him being scared to stand up to him

I do hope they proceed with the indictment of voter corruption in Georgia. Thats where Trump asked the Georgia secretary of state to "find 11,780 votes" in 2021.
Its hitting obstacles already however

"Jan. 2, 2021
In an hourlong phone call obtained by ABC News, Trump calls Raffensperger and falsely claims that it was "not possible" for him to have lost and asks the secretary to "find 11,780 votes" -- the exact number Trump needed to win Georgia.

"The people of Georgia are angry. The people of the country are angry, and there's nothing wrong with saying that, you know, that you've recalculated,"

Trump says on the call. " All I want to do is this: I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. ... Fellas, I need 11,000 votes, give me a break ."

Meadows was also heard speaking on the call."

Apologies, Trump can appeal but probably on the basis of the validity of the linking his crimes to the election rather than just a business fraud.

Blackwit

Contrary to Trump’s claims of a rigged trial, he was found guilty by a jury of his peers. His lawyers were able to provide their evidence to fight the accusations. I was listening to political commentators this morning who calculated that at least 3 people on the jury were likely to have voted for Trump and any one of them could have disagreed resulting in a hung jury and mistrial. Therefore I can only assume none of the jurists believed Trump and the verdict was fair and deserved, and these were allegations least likely to succeed in court! There are more to come. The Republican party should acquire a backbone, find some morals and drop Trump.

The Republican party should acquire a backbone, find some morals and drop Trump.

When you look at he size of America and count the number of its population, take into consideration the 'get-up-and-go' competitive nature of so many of its aspirants - surely there must be at least one other candidate they could field? One who doesn't have a history of grabbing pussies or accusations of cooking-the-books lined up against him, and the owner of an ego that might be more resilient when being held to account or being questioned?

But Republicans appear to need a Saviour and Trump and they, believe he's the man.

I think there’s a possibility that Trump will end up hanging himself before the elections. He’s so egotistical that he could incite more riots of his supporters, threaten other world leaders, be found to be setting up a hit squad - or any number of other irrational dictator like acts that will end his political career. He is very unstable and unpredictable, and this dent to his ego coukd send him over the edge.

Tickingbird
Not naive at all.
We know people would/will vote for a leader who does not tell the truth, whether it’s in US, Russia, UK or wherever. Let’s not get into which lie is worse. If they lie about one thing, then there’s no guarantee anything they say is true.

Whitewavemark2

Trumps rhetoric is so dangerous. Once again he is saying that the system is rigged - it isn’t - the judge is crooked - he isn’t - the courts are partial - they aren’t - and this is feeding into groups like the proud boys snd other hard line maga republicans, with the danger of it spilling over into violence and insurrection.

This is the point Whitewavemark2.

But I think you have to have a comprehensive knowledge of American history and how it led to so-called 'gun-culture' and the formation of militia-groups like the Proud Boys (and I don't possess that knowledge) to understand Trump and the huge support he has. We can't compare him or them by our own European standards of government or our culture.

I do think, like you, that he's dangerous though. He's a loose cannon - his outburst after the verdict had him firing in all directions.

Personally, I think he's dangerous because he can't contain himself. His ego is so huge and so delicate that he cannot tolerate any questioning or criticism of his behaviour and I think it drives everything he does and says. I truly think he has something of a messiah-complex - he and only he can 'save' America from 'terrorists' (he mentioned them), immigrants, and the general decline of the country which he attributes to 'liberals'.

Far from deterring his supporters, the verdict will only serve to encourage them to believe, as he does, that it's a politically motivated stitch-up (as if anything that he says and does isn't politically motivated) and will entrench their support. He's talked about "carnage" in November which I think means that he expects voters to come out in support of him by whatever means and methods they might employ.

I don't think he could handle not being elected again - convinced as he is that the presidency was stolen from him the last time - can you imagine him having to accept this again, and how that will play out with his supporters and the various patriotic 'militia' groups like the Proud Boys? Could it spill over into civil-war?

Trump's main defence was it was done without his knowledge and Cohen is a convicted liar. Clearly the jury thought Trump was a bigger liar. I understand the judge has refused leave to appeal as it was a unanimous decision on all 34 counts.
Tbh I though he'd get off, only needed one jury member to acquit him, but I really hope that it scuppers his chances of being POTUS again. With reference to Biden, I'd have preferred a younger candidate but to say he has dementia is total rubbish. He's like most older people in that his memory is not so sharp with regard to remembering names etc but his intellect is not affected. I think it's important to make a distinction between the normal ageing process and pathology or basically pretty much everyone over 70 has dementia to some extent and they don't!

Urmstongran

As he often says, “if they can do this to me, think what they can do to you”. They’ve just guaranteed a Trump win. The bookies odds are 6/5 on they think so too. The next few weeks will be interesting. I’m not American but even I thought this won’t be a fair trial. The judge is a Democrat donor and NY is a Democrat stronghold.

Are you saying at the trial should not have gone ahead? That justice should not have been done in order to prevent a Trump presidency.

Mollygo

Well he’s a liar, and evidently some people would vote for a leader who tells lies about at least one thing. That’s how things seem to be.

Surely you aren’t that naive? A politician that doesn’t lie is extremely rare.

As for Trump, compare his treatment with that of Bill Clinton who swore on oath “I did not have sexual relations with that woman” 😂😂

Regardless, his campaign website which receives donations collapsed following the verdict! Too much traffic. How this will continue to play out is very interesting.

Contrary to Trump’s claims of a rigged trial, he was found guilty by a jury of his peers. His lawyers were able to provide their evidence to fight the accusations. I was listening to political commentators this morning who calculated that at least 3 people on the jury were likely to have voted for Trump and any one of them could have disagreed resulting in a hung jury and mistrial. Therefore I can only assume none of the jurists believed Trump and the verdict was fair and deserved, and these were allegations least likely to succeed in court! There are more to come. The Republican party should acquire a backbone, find some morals and drop Trump.

Urmstongran

As he often says, “if they can do this to me, think what they can do to you”. They’ve just guaranteed a Trump win. The bookies odds are 6/5 on they think so too. The next few weeks will be interesting. I’m not American but even I thought this won’t be a fair trial. The judge is a Democrat donor and NY is a Democrat stronghold.

Are you agreeing with him that the trial was rigged and the judge was biased?

I can’t listen to him anymore at all and I truly don’t understand how anyone believes a word he says his violent rhetoric and misogynistic remarks tells me excactly what and whohe is.

To my mind he’s a complete and total idiot and a dangerous one at that.

I do not think this will end well for the USA.

Committed Trump supporters, guns along with an election, a heady mix…

I emailed my friend in America last night for her reaction, she says he will appeal and it will probably last years. She also said he is appealing to his supporters for money to help with legal costs and the money is pouring in. She reckons he won’t go to jail and he will be the next President, she isn’t a Trump supporter. What happened to ‘crime doesn’t pay’?

As he often says, “if they can do this to me, think what they can do to you”.

Of course they can, it's called the Rule of Law. Criminals are prosecuted and sanctioned. Presumably Trump is inferring that all his followers are criminals...

Whitewavemark2

Trumps rhetoric is so dangerous. Once again he is saying that the system is rigged - it isn’t - the judge is crooked - he isn’t - the courts are partial - they aren’t - and this is feeding into groups like the proud boys snd other hard line maga republicans, with the danger of it spilling over into violence and insurrection.

I can't help feeling that a system where judges are political appointees rather lays itself open to those sorts of allegations. After all, Trump did it himself when president..

As he often says, “if they can do this to me, think what they can do to you”. They’ve just guaranteed a Trump win. The bookies odds are 6/5 on they think so too. The next few weeks will be interesting. I’m not American but even I thought this won’t be a fair trial. The judge is a Democrat donor and NY is a Democrat stronghold.

DiamondLily

It won’t affect him standing, and it won’t affect him, if elected.

The Founding Fathers created no rules or laws about this scenario, because they didn’t think it would ever happen.

It’s slightly alarming that the next leader of the “free world” will be either someone with Dementia or a convicted liar/felon.🙄

If Trump is elected it will be both in one go. A double whammy.

Trumps rhetoric is so dangerous. Once again he is saying that the system is rigged - it isn’t - the judge is crooked - he isn’t - the courts are partial - they aren’t - and this is feeding into groups like the proud boys snd other hard line maga republicans, with the danger of it spilling over into violence and insurrection.

Jaberwok

You show me, apart from perhaps Jimmy Carter, an unblemished President? They're ALL such crooks including Joe Biden, especially his son. Nixon anyone? Kennedy, Raegan? the list goes way back! Trump is no different from the average American President. He just broke the 11th commandment and got found out.

My husband, an American who has lived through 14 Presidents, most of them whilst in the USA, and my brother-in-law and my sister-in-law, who remember/have lived through every president since FDR assure me you don’t know what you’re doing asking about

Siope

I have concerns that this will simply reinforce his ‘look, I’m just like you, the system screws folk like us all the time’ pitch to voters who are poor, dispossessed, and/or genuinely fearful for their role in the USA. It certainly provides another area of common ground with those who are pure small state zealots.

I agree and just have to hope that the floating voters decide enough is enough from him and either vote Biden or refuse to vote at all.You’d think that inciting crowds to violence and hoping to attempt some sort of coup last time around would have been enough for most Republican supporters but apparently not.

It is really quite bizarre - Trump, as a conflicted felon can no longer vote, but can stand for President.

It seems that Trump, contrary to his rhetoric, will be affected by this sentence. Independent (floating voters) are more likely to change their minds and turn away from Trump.

It won’t affect him standing, and it won’t affect him, if elected.

The Founding Fathers created no rules or laws about this scenario, because they didn’t think it would ever happen.

It’s slightly alarming that the next leader of the “free world” will be either someone with Dementia or a convicted liar/felon.🙄

You show me, apart from perhaps Jimmy Carter, an unblemished President? They're ALL such crooks including Joe Biden, especially his son. Nixon anyone? Kennedy, Raegan? the list goes way back! Trump is no different from the average American President. He just broke the 11th commandment and got found out.