Sovereignty not getting a mention!

Grantanow

The key loss engineered by Johnson and the Brexiteers was the single market which Mrs Thatcher was instrumental in putting in place. She and others saw that the free movement of goods, capital and labour would benefit the UK. Johnson, Farage and their supporters threw away that massive advantage and consigned us to life outside our most important trading partner with silly talk of Global Britain. Neither Sunak nor Starmer dare address the problem because there are still blinkered voters who can't see what they lost. Of course Corbyn contributed to Brexit because he was lukewarm and probably still stuck in the Land of Benn which bears little resemblance to real life.

The other big issue is that even if we re- join we will never get the deal we had originally and we simply cannot afford it.

mae13

And the buffoon - yes, I mean you Boris - who led us to Brexit is now nowhere to be seen!

What an advert for Eton........

Ah but fear not, we may soon see the “amazing” Nige as an MP near (some of) us soon! He will save us 😂😂😂😂😂

The key loss engineered by Johnson and the Brexiteers was the single market which Mrs Thatcher was instrumental in putting in place. She and others saw that the free movement of goods, capital and labour would benefit the UK. Johnson, Farage and their supporters threw away that massive advantage and consigned us to life outside our most important trading partner with silly talk of Global Britain. Neither Sunak nor Starmer dare address the problem because there are still blinkered voters who can't see what they lost. Of course Corbyn contributed to Brexit because he was lukewarm and probably still stuck in the Land of Benn which bears little resemblance to real life.

Freya5

Granny23

But if we live in Scotland (where we voted Remain) then we have the option to leave the Union and rejoin the EU, where we would be welcomed with open arms because of all our assets e.g fisheries, wind/wave power and oil. Also because the EU would love the opportunity to get one back on the rest of the UK who had the audacity to opt out of Europe.

You voted as the whole of the UK, not a separate entity. By the looks of the very failing SNP, full of corruption and lies, . You can't without Westmister approval anyway, Supreme Court judgement.
The waters belong to the Sovereign of the UK, and is as old as the Monarchy itself. Tony Blair gave the Monarchy the right to collect royalties from wind and wave power in a 2004 Act of Parliament. Just a few facts.

Love it!! Scotland doesn't want to be ruled by Westminster but is happy to be ruled by Brussels. Independent should mean Independent, not swapping one dictator for another.

Wheniwasyourage

Any referendum or election result can be rethought and changed after time.

The referendum in which we voted to join what is now the EU was reversed in 2016.

Any General Election can lead to a change of government.

However, any suggestion that the referendum of 2016 could EVER be reversed is pounced on as a denial of the democratic will of the people!

However, any suggestion that the referendum of 2016 could EVER be reversed is pounced on as a denial of the democratic will of the people

It is.

I wonder how long Brexit is supposed to continue - until all those who voted for it are dead and gone?

However, a referendum isn't quite like an election, I suppose. But what is the statute of limitation on Brexit?

It was costly to leave and would be costly to re-join and would, I'm sure, take years to completion. But in theory it could be done?

... and some are accusing Starmer of wanting to do just that. Personally, I don't think they are paying attention. Starmer may be or not be lots of things, but he's not a fool. He knows jolly well that any tampering with the Brexit vote would see him in deep trouble. He's not going to try to take us back in, he just wants a more civilised and equitable relationship with the EU and Europe. But for some, even that is far too much to tolerate.

It's sovereignty and all that - but when you see how much of our services and industry is foreign owned, you do have to question quite what sovereignty means. Other than our freedom to choose who invests in and profits from our services and industries. But I think we were able to do that anyway, and did.

IMO sovereignty means having a seat at the table and a voice in the debate. And now we are at the mercy of countries and unions that are bigger than us.

Any referendum or election result can be rethought and changed after time.

The referendum in which we voted to join what is now the EU was reversed in 2016.

Any General Election can lead to a change of government.

However, any suggestion that the referendum of 2016 could EVER be reversed is pounced on as a denial of the democratic will of the people!

Wyllow3

I can't understand the opposition to re-looking at tariffs, red tape, customs, trading standards as somehow "going against" Brexit.

Brexit was negotiated in such a hurry and the pressures put for a "hard" Brexit rolled over common sense on keeping our trade with nearest neighbours.

Its simply a renegotiation of targeted areas specifically to promote growth and ease trade hardly "threatening our sovereignty"

I can't understand the opposition to re-looking at tariffs, red tape, customs, trading standards as somehow "going against" Brexit.

I can - any initiative or policy that includes a more convivial relationship with the EU is 'treacherous'. It must mean that we are attempting to re-join by the back door or something. And therefore betrays Brexit.

... It's not my thinking, but I can't explain in any other way why anyone would be opposed to promoting growth and easing trade restrictions. Which will benefit everyone.

Sovereignty may have been one of the 'key issues' behind Brexit, but it was such a vague and undefined concept that it was meaningless.

It sounded good, though, didn't it? 🙄

The control of our borders thing was a complete joke as immigration both legal and illegal has rocketed.

winterwhite

Sarnia I really don't think that a Brexit referendum result of 52% versus 48% can be described as people not bothering to vote. (And we all remember that last year the government dismissed a 52:48 vote on nurses' strike action as too close to prove anything.)

I would like to see undoing the harm of Brexit as a key UK aim, appropriately badged as improving trade and so on.

28% of the electorate did not vote. Just over a quarter of those who had an opportunity to have their say, didn't do so. I think there was a general feeling that Remain would win so perhaps those who would have voted that way thought it was a done deal so didn't bother. How wrong were they?

Sovereignty was one of the key issues behind Brexit, but Brexit is now the elephant in the room. Not one Tory has mentioned their achievement of ‘getting Brexit done’ during the election campaign. I wonder why. Shall we ask them?

Granny23

But if we live in Scotland (where we voted Remain) then we have the option to leave the Union and rejoin the EU, where we would be welcomed with open arms because of all our assets e.g fisheries, wind/wave power and oil. Also because the EU would love the opportunity to get one back on the rest of the UK who had the audacity to opt out of Europe.

I doubt Scotland would be welcomed by the EU with open arms. First, it would be back of the queue (even behind Turkey); second, EU enlargement may not be as attractive as it once was, mainly to absorb the former Soviet satellites, and third, Scotland's dependence on subsidy from the UK suggests it would not be a net contributor to the EU budget.

Granny23

But if we live in Scotland (where we voted Remain) then we have the option to leave the Union and rejoin the EU, where we would be welcomed with open arms because of all our assets e.g fisheries, wind/wave power and oil. Also because the EU would love the opportunity to get one back on the rest of the UK who had the audacity to opt out of Europe.

You voted as the whole of the UK, not a separate entity. By the looks of the very failing SNP, full of corruption and lies, . You can't without Westmister approval anyway, Supreme Court judgement.
The waters belong to the Sovereign of the UK, and is as old as the Monarchy itself. Tony Blair gave the Monarchy the right to collect royalties from wind and wave power in a 2004 Act of Parliament. Just a few facts.

Brexit was all about immigration and getting control of our borders. Personally I was not happy about the numbers coming in. However I voted remain as everything else made total sense. Had we been able to control our borders I’m sure most people would have been happy to remain as, as far as I can see, there was little else to complain about.

And the buffoon - yes, I mean you Boris - who led us to Brexit is now nowhere to be seen!

What an advert for Eton........

I can't understand the opposition to re-looking at tariffs, red tape, customs, trading standards as somehow "going against" Brexit.

Brexit was negotiated in such a hurry and the pressures put for a "hard" Brexit rolled over common sense on keeping our trade with nearest neighbours.

Its simply a renegotiation of targeted areas specifically to promote growth and ease trade hardly "threatening our sovereignty"

Sarnia I really don't think that a Brexit referendum result of 52% versus 48% can be described as people not bothering to vote. (And we all remember that last year the government dismissed a 52:48 vote on nurses' strike action as too close to prove anything.)

I would like to see undoing the harm of Brexit as a key UK aim, appropriately badged as improving trade and so on.

But if we live in Scotland (where we voted Remain) then we have the option to leave the Union and rejoin the EU, where we would be welcomed with open arms because of all our assets e.g fisheries, wind/wave power and oil. Also because the EU would love the opportunity to get one back on the rest of the UK who had the audacity to opt out of Europe.

I can't see any party trying to overturn Brexit, if that is what the OP is getting at. A democratic referendum should be upheld. I get fed up of hearing about those who hate Brexit but didn't bother to vote. They can't have been that concerned, then and can't complain about it. It's swings and roundabouts, pros and cons with Brexit as it is with most things.

Brexit was one of the greatest lies ever told. 🙄

But, we’re stuck with it now, and need to try and make the best of it.

All we have done is add a lot of extra red tape for importers and exporters, expensive tariffs, and extra work for businesses who operate or want to operate in Europe because of confusion over trade standards, hassles at customs. I can't see a single benefit.

The L party intends to tackle the tariffs and standards so we can better trade with out nearest neighbours without re joining - that has never been on the cards - but it will make a difference hopefully to growth in the UK.