Why the £2000 allegation won't go away

I hope we can have debate- polarised though it is - with the maturity equal to our years.

One 'thing' to consider is that we each have different styles of expressing our opinions and I think sometimes it's the approach rather than the opinion that ignites antagonism.

GSM doesn't pull her punches but, for me anyway, that doesn't invalidate her opinion whether I agree with it or not.

I know that I am sometimes passive-aggressive, a tad 'snarky' perhaps, I don't know, but I am not going to criticise other's styles of expressing themselves when my own is less than perfect.

I think this is the nature of social media - how could it be otherwise with such a huge variety of people. But GN, compared to other SM sites I've visited where posters are personally abusive - where your comment might attract a single-word reply, Loser, embellished with a line of emojis... piles of 'poop' among them, well, I think we come across largely as a group of civilised human beings by comparison.

your opinion is as valid as anybody else’s, we are all equal on here

Thanks Casdon I’m afraid I find that hard to believe, but hey ho!

Whitewavemark2

😄 - you can assume what you like because all the figures are nonsense.

It really is time to put this to bed.

So why perpetuate the thread by throwing in £13000 with you then say is rubbish

Penny Mordaunt was repeating the £2000 mantra in yesterday's TV thingy (it wasn't a debate, more a debacle) and Mishal was adding that the officials had said it wasn't a true figure every time.

It brought to mind Keith Waterhouse and his "Department of Guesswork".

We'll never know true figures until we live them. Politics is mostly smoke and mirrors.

😄 - you can assume what you like because all the figures are nonsense.

It really is time to put this to bed.

Whitewavemark2

*has anyone calculated how much the current and previous Tory governments has already cost them*

£13000 extra in tax apparently - makes £2000 sound a bargain!

HIGNFY

I assume that is over 12 yrs or so, paid more for less, I wish I was optimistic that it is going to improve, there just does not seem to be light at the end of the tunnel

has anyone calculated how much the current and previous Tory governments has already cost them

£13000 extra in tax apparently - makes £2000 sound a bargain!

HIGNFY

nanna8

What’s the diff between Starmer and Sunak? To me they seem pretty much the same and I wouldn’t want either of them to be PM. You are going to get Starmer, obviously . Hold on to your hats and hide your cash under the bed.

Hold on to your hats and hide your cash under the bed.

With the continual squeeze on public services, which has been going on for years now in the name of austerity - oh, those difficult decisions that successive Tory governments tell us they have to make - we're going to need it to pay for minor (and even major) surgery on hips, knees, and various other painful conditions. Or, even just to see a doctor in that rather old-fashioned way where you sit facing each other in a small room.

... and has anyone calculated the cost to those with a mortgage after Liz Truss' casino-economics caused market turmoil? I think the BoE calculated £220 average monthly increase a while back.

But, yes, of course, Starmer, eh? Hold on to your hats indeed.

Everyone calculating what Starmer will cost each family - has anyone calculated how much the current and previous Tory governments has already cost them?

What’s the diff between Starmer and Sunak? To me they seem pretty much the same and I wouldn’t want either of them to be PM. You are going to get Starmer, obviously . Hold on to your hats and hide your cash under the bed.

LizzieDrip

WW I too heard the barrister on the radio giving her professional opinion of KS’s behaviour. I found her explanation extremely measured and knowledgeable. Unfortunately, I didn’t catch her name. It was on the James O’Brian show on LBC.

As GSM appears to want further evidence before she’ll accept that this barrister may be correct, I’ll try and find it on Catch-Up.

Who knows, GSM, your paths might have crossed in the law courts - or perhaps not!

A chunk of the lawyer on the LBC show as alluded to upthread on X on the Sunak £2000/Starmer reaction

x.com/LBC/status/1798308791970414726

Our opinions are all valid if we try not to be personal about it , I would say.Once you do that you’ve lost the argument.
Also it’s fair to say you need to stay cool, even if it sounds a bit hippy.

Don’t take any notice LizzieDrip, your opinion is as valid as anybody else’s, we are all equal on here.

Just friendly advice LizzieDrip not meant to be patronising or you being told off 😄 but you do seem to get really het up in your comments sometimes.
It’s just political opinions and as we know they vary wildly so best to keep your cool.

That’s me well and truly told by Oreo & GSM

The above post from me was for LizzieDrip

No it isn’t.
Don’t look for insults and stay calm, that’s my advice to you on forums.Maybe GSM does read more widely than you, she certainly does more than me.

I don’t read the Telegraph, I don’t read trash, and I am not ill-informed. OK?

Oreo is GSM’s comment to me not a personal insult?

LizzieDrip

^Maybe I read more widely than you^

GSM maybe you do, but if your reading matter is The Telegraph and other right-wing, biased trash, one can only expect you to be ill-informed.

Oh c’mon now! No personal insults just cos you’re a Labour voter like me and many others on here.
Would you say that The Mirror is left wing biased trash?And if you do read it would you like a poster to say that’s why you are ill informed?
None of us know what reading matter others take an interest in.
Some do read more widely than others, which will include various newspapers / online newspapers and columns.
I don’t have the time to read widely but accept others may do.

I’m doing the same Cossy

The manifesto was passed by acclaim, meaning it was supported by most present through applause. It also means that Unite did not push things to a vote and did not vote against the proposals Sky News

‘Nuff said!

Germanshepherdsmum

Being an effective lawyer is very different MissA. It was very clear to me that he was ill prepared and didn’t know what to say - and the last thing he would say is what his plan would cost. We shall see when the manifestos are published and costed.

I’m holding out giving an opinion until after all manifestos are published and each side has something to both “market” and “critique”. The debates up to this time seem a little pointless

Not going to happen, GSM. And the unions are not an "all in agreement" block, as the article makes clear.

Germanshepherdsmum

Well there you are, without my having to go back to my googling. We know from experience what happens if the unions are unhappy.

Oh gosh yes, who can forget Ted Heath?

Well, Unite was unhappy, but neither would it have been good for the L Party to endorse policies that while Starmer might like to see in the manifesto, he couldn't deliver as a promise.

Reading the article I think that he may well cover the points that Unison raised (they have almost half a million members working for the NHS across the UK)