Boris Johnson’s appalling language and slur.

Zoe65

So starmer ignores a democratic vote to try to get a second referendum .i havnt forgotten that even if you have ,so where’s his integrity .?what a joke some of you are on here ,criticising the man who got you the covid jab first in the world and got brexit through .
And yes we do want him back to get rid of socialists like starmer and the classless clown Rayner for good

...what a joke some of you are on here ,criticising the man who got you the covid jab first in the world and got brexit through .

Well I think there was the matter of some collaboration in the pharmaceutical industry which accelerated the development of the vaccine. Admittedly the MHRA approved the vaccine so that we got it first. However, it was only a matter of about 20 days or so when it was authorised and approved by other countries, and the EU. Mass vaccinations began across the EU- about 450 million people - roughly 3 weeks later.

Considering Johnson missed about 4/5 (can't remember exactly) COBRA meetings on the matter, not to mention the PPE scandal, Track & Trace, Eat-Out-To-Help-Out - all dismal (and expensive) failures, I think we might be justified in feeling we are free to hold him to account - something we do to all politicians regardless of their achievements.

Oh, and we didn't all rejoice at him getting Brexit through either, so you'll have to excuse our ingratitude.

Who's "we"?

So starmer ignores a democratic vote to try to get a second referendum .i havnt forgotten that even if you have ,so where’s his integrity .?what a joke some of you are on here ,criticising the man who got you the covid jab first in the world and got brexit through .
And yes we do want him back to get rid of socialists like starmer and the classless clown Rayner for good

I've just been looking at info on the Warboys case, and it is very convoluted.

Why was Worboys up for a parole hearing?

Worboys was given an indeterminate sentence when he jailed in 2009, under a scheme introduced for public protection in 2005.

Indeterminate sentences were abolished in 2012 when European judges ruled they breached human rights.

HousePlantQueen, Hi Amigo. Just echoing back.

Thanks Wyllow I’m a link avoider (my tech skills dire). I heard Starmer say it. I believed him.
What a mess Labour will face if/when they’re our governments

Yes, Iam, here you go, it's in the Labour Party Manifesto:

"Labour pledges 80 new rape courts in bid to tackle backlog crisis
Plan for specialist unit in all police forces amid manifesto drive to reduce violence against women and girls"

www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/08/labour-pledges-80-new-courts-in-bid-to-tackle-backlog-crisis

Starmer was not involved in the case.

BJ lied and partied while people were dying.

Go figure.

Starmer is going to get it in the neck for all kinds of things that he’d no control over.
The main issue is the poor treatment of attacks on women and girls throughout the system. It’s one Starmer is raising now

No, Starmer thought the original judges ruling was a good result as he expected him to serve longer.

He did not praise the 8 years, post the Parole board decision, although the article sets it out to look that way.

Starmer didn’t free Warboys. He thought that what I’m sure we would all agree was a pathetic sentence was a good result. It’s nothing to do with letting people out halfway through their sentence, it’s when they become eligible for parole. The judge decides that would be 8 years and Starmer thought that a good result. It beggars belief.

The Worboys case is very much more complicated than Starmer freeing him.

The idea of freeing people half way through sentences came into being during Major being prime minister, and Starmer holds no sway on releasing Worboys.

dear me, a link from The Sun. Barrel scrapeing much?

Goldieoldie15

No much to do with this thread. But I just posted my related comment and as always it did not appear on the site. Nor have my other, innocuous, comments on this site. Obviously something I’m not doing right. Could anybody advise? Thank you

Not sure. Comments go on if you post them properly. Removed posts show that they have been removed.🤔

Boris Johnson is well used to saying and doing just as he pleases, without fear of recrimination.
Why? Well, he's Boris Johnson - that's why!

Which threads are you trying to post on? You’ve certainly managed to post successfully just now. Did you do anything different just now?

No much to do with this thread. But I just posted my related comment and as always it did not appear on the site. Nor have my other, innocuous, comments on this site. Obviously something I’m not doing right. Could anybody advise? Thank you

Worboys was sentenced to life with a minimum of 8 years in 2009. Starmer, then DPP, said this was a long sentence - see link below. Unbelievable.

Warboys was subsequently prosecuted for further offences and given a second life term with a minimum of 6 years in 2019. The CPS had originally refused to bring the 2019 prosecution.

The sentences meted out are frightening, especially given the number of victims. As is the decision of the parole board. Not my idea of justice.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/5273304/john-worboys-black-cab-rapist-sparks-anger/

I suspect that when someone has been sent down for a life or near life sentence, any further prosecutions seem supernumeray because the perpetrator will not get a longer sentence.

Usually these other offences are left on the file, so that if circumstances change they can be revitalised and the perpetrator prosecuted.

Yes, hard for the victims, who do not get their day in court, but these crimes are acknowledged and can be revived. They are not simply dismissed and ignored.

I imagined they would work closely together? Considerable time spent by both?

There’s a ton of cases where once someone is convicted and put away for a long time, it comes to light that other offences were not prosecuted, not great for individual victims but I guess there are good reasons for this, perhaps costs and time of court cases? I’m Amy event it’s not unusual.

The real time is put in by the police gathering evidence Wyllow, rather than the CPS.

Also Peston hates Johnson as he used to be in a relationship with Preston’s partner

Goldieoldie15

It never ceases to amaze me that so many are still surprised by what this dangerous self serving clown does or says. Wake up! He lied to the country he lied to the parliament and lied to HM the Queen. But hey we’ve got Brexit! Look around you and rejoice. Just look at the queues at Dover at the airports and the long promised extended border checks. But main thing we’ve got £350m a week for the NHS and such like. And of course our sovereignty! Ha ha ha!!!

Absolutely agree. Always reminded me of ‘Emporer’s New Clothes’. It’s amazing what people will believe.

MayBee70

deedeedum

You think Johnson has moved on, well "dream on." I read somewhere that his wife Carrie was a "victim" of the taxi driver, can't recall his name currently gaoled, seeking parole, who Starmer decided not to prosecute for additional offences.

I don’t know much about the law but I assume it was Starmers job to decide if there was enough evidence to try to prosecute someone and, if there wasn’t there was no point wasting time and money pursuing it? Imo that’s his approach to politics, too. Choose your policies wisely; make sure you can follow through with what you say you’ll do.

Thought about this a lot as it's a fair question. Only tiny numbers of rape allegations get to court they are so complex and time consuming.

It's fair to assume that the CPS decided that they had a strong enough conviction and sentencing for the offender to be locked away safely for a very long time. It was the parole board that overturned it.

Hindsight is great and now we all I am sure wish that additional offences should have been prosecuted. But that would also have meant that the CPS had less time to prosecute current rape cases leaving more victims without justice. A hard call.