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Are you two the best we can do?

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Iam64 Thu 27-Jun-24 13:30:18

That’s the question audience member Robert Blackstock asked Sunak and Starmer at last night’s leadership debate. Is this a helpful question?

Wyllow3 Tue 02-Jul-24 15:03:16

Sunak sends his children to boarding school. They aren't at home in the evening for family time. Starmer's children go to State Schools and live at home. Friday nights must be very special for them -and good for them.

Wyllow3 Tue 02-Jul-24 14:59:44

Germanshepherdsmum

So he will have to turn down a function from which he can’t return home by 6? That will soon cause considerable irritation - putting his wife ahead of the country. It isn’t going to work.

Of course there will be some functions where he has to break his Friday's, in a crisis/COBRA meeting or some international event.

He means in the normal run of work, and I would have thought that family values would come high and be viewed with respect, on most voter's lists. One evening a week, for goodness sake!

Joseann Tue 02-Jul-24 14:46:55

Well, King Charles had better get the business meeting done and dusted by mid afternoon on Friday, July 5th then. It's a good hour from the Palace out to Kentish Town in the rush hour, even longer on a Friday.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 02-Jul-24 14:31:23

So he will have to turn down a function from which he can’t return home by 6? That will soon cause considerable irritation - putting his wife ahead of the country. It isn’t going to work.

Joseann Tue 02-Jul-24 14:30:09

I don't think that as PM you would ever mentally switch off, wherever you are.

Joseann Tue 02-Jul-24 14:28:59

Saying you take Friday evenings off with family doesn't mean you're not actually working, even in your own head! He probably just meant no meetings, no functions, just staying at home, (on his laptop while the rest watch tv in the same room).

Mamardoit Tue 02-Jul-24 14:28:09

Sorry Lib Dem leader.

Mamardoit Tue 02-Jul-24 14:27:41

I do have some sympathy with the man who asked the question. Nearly everyone I know think RS and KS are really not up to the tasks facing the UK. The Liberal leader is a clown.

I have no idea who to vote for. I spoilt my ballot at the last GE and will probably do the same again. Looks like we will get a Tory MP anyway. It is a very safe seat.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 02-Jul-24 14:09:17

I don’t know how he will be able to manage that. He doesn’t seem to realise the hours that need to be put in.

Wyllow3 Tue 02-Jul-24 13:49:34

Ludicrous attack on Starmer by Sunak because he always takes Friday evenings off for family time after 6pm.

www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/02/tory-attacks-keir-starmer-work-hours-disgrace-labour

(Starmer does like others work weekends)

Wyllow3 Tue 02-Jul-24 00:27:27

Feel I've heard enough of both by now.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 01-Jul-24 20:51:21

Mt61

Germanshepherdsmum

I don’t think Sunak was dire, but I thought Starmer was.

Both could send a glass eye to sleep 😴

That’s not funny. Do you know someone who has a glass eye?

Rekarie Mon 01-Jul-24 20:29:38

It was rather rude. Unnecessary. However I'm not keen on either of them. Not keen on any of them. Still no idea who I'll be voting for.

Mt61 Mon 01-Jul-24 20:28:53

Germanshepherdsmum

I don’t think Sunak was dire, but I thought Starmer was.

Both could send a glass eye to sleep 😴

TakeThat7 Mon 01-Jul-24 20:10:30

I think the politicians should ask the non poloticians what they would like to see get some questionares out for the public wish lists But then they have another job apart from mp on the whole so prob not got time Great no bbc licence fee from nigel farage for once he has hit on something the public want changing There os no sence people paying to watch bbc a lot never even watch Why should you pay for something you never use

TakeThat7 Mon 01-Jul-24 20:00:46

Yes as above help with higher fuel bills not something im confident Labour will do but if they do thats good

Iam64 Mon 01-Jul-24 09:06:47

not much of a debate
Huge gulfs between the various parties. Manifesto from each.

OurKid1 Sun 30-Jun-24 20:40:09

Fleur20

I think he simply articulated what a lot of us, mere mortals, are thinking.
It may not have elevated the debate but it was not much of a debate.
Political debate seems to consist of name calling and shouting over each other.
Nobody... NOBODY.. seems able to present policies or explain how they will be financed or rolled out.

Could be worse. We could live in the States.

flappergirl Sun 30-Jun-24 19:41:19

I realise this discussion has moved on from the original post but I thought the man's comment was rude and pathetic. He was merely seeking his 15 minutes of fame and trying to look like a clever boy. Is he offering to step up and run the country?

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 30-Jun-24 18:44:01

Presumably you also had help with fuel bills and the cost of living.

TakeThat7 Sun 30-Jun-24 17:55:01

Sorry dont know how to reference something as mentioned above It was on sky a few minutes before i put it on here Someone said how has your life improved minimum wage went up people were paid on furlough during pandemic I might have eventually been able to buy my home whilst a good discount Im happy with my pension Ive had very good nhs treatment Although our Doctors rarely see patients now and its impossible to get an appointment even when you phone at 8am Is the doctots appointments covered ny any manifesto as it was better years ago

Wyllow3 Sun 30-Jun-24 14:44:44

Ah - OK - I was answering the question in terms of funding Housing Associations

The local Housing Associations in my Lab/Libdem city do work closely with the Council in terms of their development (there is a partnership scheme, sometimes the council provides the land)

And of course particularly in terms of need and allocating places in rental accommodation, the Council and Housing Association allocation does not work separately.

Since locally its a "one stop" application process.

(some housing associations offer to-buy properties)

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 30-Jun-24 13:15:29

I was asking about the new flats to which wwm referred - she implied it was funded by the council by saying her council was labour controlled, but I would think it far more likely that a housing association is providing them.

Wyllow3 Sun 30-Jun-24 13:03:18

Can you give a reference TakeThat7 as have found one article on social housing in London and its not about that.

to adress a question GSM posted up thread about who provides social housing -

Locally the council has only been able to promise 1000 new council homes by 2029, no more money there as current funds taken up with maintenance:

the city relies on Housing Association for any more with is funded by a mix of direct government and private funding.

Lots more needed.

TakeThat7 Sun 30-Jun-24 12:07:50

Hey Just seen sky news are they biased like bbc A whole lot of time given to people turning down social housing in london sometimes twicePresenter concluded this with difficult times When i was lucky enough thirty years ago to be offered a very dirty council home with a toddler it was accept first offer or get none I was so happy not to be homeless anymore I put thick layers pf paint where i couldnt improve by cleaning it Things wete not better when labour were in