Trump and Biden head to head

I hope the covid gives Biden the chance to back down with dignity
I’m unsure why Kamala Harris seems such a silent, little known figure.

I wondered that too Calendargirl or if he stays in office then any gaffes, stumbles or silent moments will be attributed to Covid brain fog ( which he seems to have been suffering from for years!)
He needs to go asap.

I hear on the News that Joe might back down if he had a medical condition that required him to.

Perhaps he will develop issues following Covid, which will allow him to step down and save face?

Joe Biden and Kamala Harris both have Covid now.

Callistemon213

^drama^?

Are you saying what we see on our TVs over here is just manufactured drama?

What I see before us is a terrifying prospect for the Western world in general, not just the USA, so we have every right to be concerned.

Did you even watch Biden’s press conference in its entirety?
Most likely no one here on this thread has.
Yes, drama is what sells newspapers, so that is what is reported.
Luckily, enough readers in the US papers have complained about the slanted reporting against Biden and you now are starting to see a fairer reporting in the last days.

Exactly so Galaxy. It’s so reminiscent of the way some on the left still insist it was drama in the right wing press that stopped Corbyn being PM.

The majority could see why the Labour Party with Corbyn as leader would win an election. The entire world can see that Biden as candidate enables the focus to be on his frailty and not on Trumps total unsuitability to be President

Galaxy

It's just the usual oh you are so stupid, under no circumstances believe the evidence of your own eyes.

It's all AI and never really happened, Galaxy

It's just the usual oh you are so stupid, under no circumstances believe the evidence of your own eyes.

drama?

Are you saying what we see on our TVs over here is just manufactured drama?

What I see before us is a terrifying prospect for the Western world in general, not just the USA, so we have every right to be concerned.

Iam64

Syracute, you’re saying exactly what my American friend is. Well and good but Trump is moving ahead
Biden has been a good President but I don’t. Believe he’s well enough to do his job. If he was. Director or ceo of a big company, his fellow too managers would be suggesting he step down

Just because you are saying that Trump is moving ahead does not make it so . There is a lot of drama fomented by newspapers and the whole pole frenzy is part of that .

Callistemon213

Just because Biden displays signs of confusion and forgetfulness does not mean we support the alternative, Syracute.

Why would you assume posters think Trump is a suitable candidate?

Neither of the above.

I'm amazed at the lack of choice.

Thank you for saying exactly what I think Callistemon.
The possibility of President Trump again is truly frightening.
I think he’s deranged (am I actually allowed to say that?)

Callistemon213

Just because Biden displays signs of confusion and forgetfulness does not mean we support the alternative, Syracute.

Why would you assume posters think Trump is a suitable candidate?

Neither of the above.

I'm amazed at the lack of choice.

The problem with Biden is that he’s diverting attention away from what Trump has done and what he’s planning to do.

Syracute, you’re saying exactly what my American friend is. Well and good but Trump is moving ahead
Biden has been a good President but I don’t. Believe he’s well enough to do his job. If he was. Director or ceo of a big company, his fellow too managers would be suggesting he step down

Just because Biden displays signs of confusion and forgetfulness does not mean we support the alternative, Syracute.

Why would you assume posters think Trump is a suitable candidate?

Neither of the above.

I'm amazed at the lack of choice.

sodapop

Biden is clearly unwell Syracute and I think not able to override the wishes of his family.
However leaving personalities aside is there no means of removing a President from office.

Many Americans don’t share that opinion . You only need to see Trumps recent speech in Florida to see someone who is really unhinged and dangerous . I watched all of Bidens press conference 1 hour and 30 minutes . He talked coherently and concisely about the various questions put before him . Yes , he did have a trip up at the beginning . I am guessing no one here watched it in its entirety . News clips don’t show the whole picture .

From Chestnut's post about the 25th Amendment, it looks like Kamala has to do something. That would be really hard to tell your boss that he is no longer qualified to do his job!

I agree Macadia. Much as I don’t think it’s Jill Biden’s job to tell him to step aside, I really don’t understand how any loving wife wouldn’t say you’ve been a brilliant President, that’s your legacy let’s retire and enjoy ourselves

Someone like Gavin Newsom. Actually, anyone but Trump. Biden deserves a graceful, happy retirement.

Trump rambles, often makes no sense but his aggressive, sneering when Biden stumbles may be disgusting but his base support love it
Biden introducing Zelensky as Mr Putin and referring to Kamala Harris as Vice President Trump will be beamed ariund the US and the world. This maintains the focus on Biden’s cognitive functioning and gives Trump a free run.
Imagine if the next presidential debate involved the awful, rambling, rude, nasty Trump and a young intelligent well informed democratic candidate.

It allows the vice president, together with a "majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide", to issue a written declaration that the president is unable to discharge his duties. -- Wikipedia.org "Twenty-fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution, Section 4"

Biden is trying to recover but it isn't going to work. Things will only get worse. It doesn't help that last week he called Zelenskyy "Putin" and then yesterday, he called Kamala "Vice-President Trump".

Strange how Starmer said he was perfectly lucid during discussions

Well of course he would! He’d been PM less than a week. He was hardly going to state that Biden was ‘senile’, as suggested by the BBC’s Chris Mason.

Not the best start to our ‘special relationship’.

There is a way to remove the President.
The 25th Amendment:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Accepting that there is no way to remove a President from office is one thing, after all he’s only got a few months to go in this term. However I don’t know why a candidate for the Presidency cannot be removed. He’s clearly unfit. Being told by those who wish to protect him that he has absolutely no problems in meetings is fine, but we don’t know if that’s true, when the evidence presented to us suggests something very different.
And the biggest worry is that leaving Biden in place leaves the door wide open to Trump!

Biden is clearly unwell Syracute and I think not able to override the wishes of his family.
However leaving personalities aside is there no means of removing a President from office.