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Trump and Biden head to head

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nanna8 Fri 28-Jun-24 03:55:40

A well conducted interview with these two candidates for President. Much, much better than any interviews our mob put on here. The future of America is in one of their hands. God help them. Both slagging each other off on a personal level, one of them lost the plot half way in and both lying through their teeth. Starmer and Sunak are a couple of pleasant, courteous gentlemen compared with them.

Iam64 Thu 18-Jul-24 08:54:16

I hope the covid gives Biden the chance to back down with dignity
I’m unsure why Kamala Harris seems such a silent, little known figure.

Oreo Thu 18-Jul-24 08:12:23

I wondered that too Calendargirl or if he stays in office then any gaffes, stumbles or silent moments will be attributed to Covid brain fog ( which he seems to have been suffering from for years!)
He needs to go asap.

Calendargirl Thu 18-Jul-24 07:08:16

I hear on the News that Joe might back down if he had a medical condition that required him to.

Perhaps he will develop issues following Covid, which will allow him to step down and save face?

hmm

Macadia Thu 18-Jul-24 02:51:00

Joe Biden and Kamala Harris both have Covid now.

Syracute Sat 13-Jul-24 11:09:34

Callistemon213

^drama^?

Are you saying what we see on our TVs over here is just manufactured drama?

What I see before us is a terrifying prospect for the Western world in general, not just the USA, so we have every right to be concerned.

Did you even watch Biden’s press conference in its entirety?
Most likely no one here on this thread has.
Yes, drama is what sells newspapers, so that is what is reported.
Luckily, enough readers in the US papers have complained about the slanted reporting against Biden and you now are starting to see a fairer reporting in the last days.

Iam64 Sat 13-Jul-24 08:36:46

Exactly so Galaxy. It’s so reminiscent of the way some on the left still insist it was drama in the right wing press that stopped Corbyn being PM.

The majority could see why the Labour Party with Corbyn as leader would win an election. The entire world can see that Biden as candidate enables the focus to be on his frailty and not on Trumps total unsuitability to be President

Callistemon213 Sat 13-Jul-24 08:30:18

Galaxy

It's just the usual oh you are so stupid, under no circumstances believe the evidence of your own eyes.

It's all AI and never really happened, Galaxy

Galaxy Sat 13-Jul-24 07:43:44

It's just the usual oh you are so stupid, under no circumstances believe the evidence of your own eyes.

Callistemon213 Sat 13-Jul-24 07:38:05

drama?

Are you saying what we see on our TVs over here is just manufactured drama?

What I see before us is a terrifying prospect for the Western world in general, not just the USA, so we have every right to be concerned.

Syracute Fri 12-Jul-24 23:58:50

Iam64

Syracute, you’re saying exactly what my American friend is. Well and good but Trump is moving ahead
Biden has been a good President but I don’t. Believe he’s well enough to do his job. If he was. Director or ceo of a big company, his fellow too managers would be suggesting he step down

Just because you are saying that Trump is moving ahead does not make it so . There is a lot of drama fomented by newspapers and the whole pole frenzy is part of that .

maddyone Fri 12-Jul-24 23:04:22

Callistemon213

Just because Biden displays signs of confusion and forgetfulness does not mean we support the alternative, Syracute.

Why would you assume posters think Trump is a suitable candidate?

Neither of the above.

I'm amazed at the lack of choice.

Thank you for saying exactly what I think Callistemon.
The possibility of President Trump again is truly frightening.
I think he’s deranged (am I actually allowed to say that?)

MayBee70 Fri 12-Jul-24 21:48:38

Callistemon213

Just because Biden displays signs of confusion and forgetfulness does not mean we support the alternative, Syracute.

Why would you assume posters think Trump is a suitable candidate?

Neither of the above.

I'm amazed at the lack of choice.

The problem with Biden is that he’s diverting attention away from what Trump has done and what he’s planning to do.

Iam64 Fri 12-Jul-24 21:36:20

Syracute, you’re saying exactly what my American friend is. Well and good but Trump is moving ahead
Biden has been a good President but I don’t. Believe he’s well enough to do his job. If he was. Director or ceo of a big company, his fellow too managers would be suggesting he step down

Callistemon213 Fri 12-Jul-24 21:17:06

Just because Biden displays signs of confusion and forgetfulness does not mean we support the alternative, Syracute.

Why would you assume posters think Trump is a suitable candidate?

Neither of the above.

I'm amazed at the lack of choice.

Syracute Fri 12-Jul-24 19:49:28

sodapop

Biden is clearly unwell Syracute and I think not able to override the wishes of his family.
However leaving personalities aside is there no means of removing a President from office.

Many Americans don’t share that opinion . You only need to see Trumps recent speech in Florida to see someone who is really unhinged and dangerous . I watched all of Bidens press conference 1 hour and 30 minutes . He talked coherently and concisely about the various questions put before him . Yes , he did have a trip up at the beginning . I am guessing no one here watched it in its entirety . News clips don’t show the whole picture .

Macadia Fri 12-Jul-24 19:03:01

From Chestnut's post about the 25th Amendment, it looks like Kamala has to do something. That would be really hard to tell your boss that he is no longer qualified to do his job!

Iam64 Fri 12-Jul-24 18:28:54

I agree Macadia. Much as I don’t think it’s Jill Biden’s job to tell him to step aside, I really don’t understand how any loving wife wouldn’t say you’ve been a brilliant President, that’s your legacy let’s retire and enjoy ourselves

Macadia Fri 12-Jul-24 18:05:45

Someone like Gavin Newsom. Actually, anyone but Trump. Biden deserves a graceful, happy retirement.

Iam64 Fri 12-Jul-24 17:58:45

Trump rambles, often makes no sense but his aggressive, sneering when Biden stumbles may be disgusting but his base support love it
Biden introducing Zelensky as Mr Putin and referring to Kamala Harris as Vice President Trump will be beamed ariund the US and the world. This maintains the focus on Biden’s cognitive functioning and gives Trump a free run.
Imagine if the next presidential debate involved the awful, rambling, rude, nasty Trump and a young intelligent well informed democratic candidate.

Macadia Fri 12-Jul-24 17:54:28

It allows the vice president, together with a "majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide", to issue a written declaration that the president is unable to discharge his duties. -- Wikipedia.org "Twenty-fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution, Section 4"

Macadia Fri 12-Jul-24 17:47:48

Biden is trying to recover but it isn't going to work. Things will only get worse. It doesn't help that last week he called Zelenskyy "Putin" and then yesterday, he called Kamala "Vice-President Trump".

Calendargirl Fri 12-Jul-24 17:45:28

Strange how Starmer said he was perfectly lucid during discussions

Well of course he would! He’d been PM less than a week. He was hardly going to state that Biden was ‘senile’, as suggested by the BBC’s Chris Mason.

Not the best start to our ‘special relationship’.

Chestnut Fri 12-Jul-24 17:40:23

There is a way to remove the President.
The 25th Amendment:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

maddyone Fri 12-Jul-24 17:05:06

Accepting that there is no way to remove a President from office is one thing, after all he’s only got a few months to go in this term. However I don’t know why a candidate for the Presidency cannot be removed. He’s clearly unfit. Being told by those who wish to protect him that he has absolutely no problems in meetings is fine, but we don’t know if that’s true, when the evidence presented to us suggests something very different.
And the biggest worry is that leaving Biden in place leaves the door wide open to Trump!

sodapop Fri 12-Jul-24 16:43:02

Biden is clearly unwell Syracute and I think not able to override the wishes of his family.
However leaving personalities aside is there no means of removing a President from office.