Trans women have a cervix according to David Lammy.

Threads where people will say "I accept trans people" in one breath and then go off on a tangent about all the ways they don't

No VS.

For the majority posting on here - those that I interact with anyway - there is only one aspect of trans issues that we find unacceptable, there's no list of other ways.

And you know what that is so I don't need to spell it out

One headline and off we go again, the same stuck record

You are contributing to this though, by the repetitive claims you make on all these types of threads by insisting that we are not supportive of trans rights.

quod erat demonstrandum

I think if you actually read what the majority of posters write you will discover that most accept trans, we aren't doing enough to support women and girls, there is room for all , why can't trans people accept their own space and fight for it like women did, why should women give up their rights to any group ?

Genuinely will never understand why threads deliberately demonising trans people ever need to exist and why people allow that on this topic where they would not on others

Threads where people will say "I accept trans people" in one breath and then go off on a tangent about all the ways they don't

It's a logic puzzle I will never figure out because the problem doesn't happen in my head, it is happening in someone else's

I accept trans people so of course I am going to say these threads are not ok. We aren't doing enough to support trans people. We aren't showing them any kind of acceptance on these threads. We can protect women and trans people equally... That is what accepting trans people actually looks like and you are getting it all completely wrong

One headline and off we go again, the same stuck record... No progress, nothing supportive and definitely no acceptance

Nothing achieved for the benefit of women or trans people

No, no ! a poodle (chocolate brown) for preference is the way to go surely😊

I'm going to put that on my bucket list.

Identify as a scruffy Border Terrier and enter Cruft's.

Love the Germaine Greer post.
She could have added that she wouldn’t have attempted to enter Crufts as the spaniel she dreamed of being.

Smileless2012

Love the Germaine Greer quote Granmarderby.

So do I.

Love the Germaine Greer quote Granmarderby.

Good post Grammarderby

Germaine Greer needs to have a word with the HT and parents of a child at the DGC's school. I would just say that only human children can apply and be given a place there.

Well who knows just what may be possible in the future?
For now I am a woman and that is a fact, I have been pregnant, I have given birth. I will still be a woman even if I have any of my reproductive parts removed. I do not need to “dress as” a woman, or “behave as” a woman I just “am” a woman.

I’ve zero idea of what the imperative is to attempt to become a different sex whether through surgery, medication, or just clothing choices.
For those who want/need/yearn to become different from the way they were at birth or, to define their genitalia one way or the other if it was ambiguous, by means of surgery, they have an inalienable right to pursue that. And to live their best lives without fear of prejudice or abuse.
Just like any one else in a civilised society, which I think we are.

I truly believe though, that as Germaine Greer put it, “I may paint liver-spots on myself and even find a doctor to sew me a tail and some dangly ears on, but it still won’t make me a f……spaniel”

I saw that Mollygo.

Sadly, I think that is what happened in some countries years ago. I wonder if they had their feet bound too?

OP here I am concerned that so many young people who are going through puberty truly believe that they can become whatever they want to be because of often poor teaching and advice in schools.

This is at the age when your hormones are confusing you, boys are eager to have sex and put under peer pressure, girls are often coerced into sending images of themselves or also being pressured into sex and then you are taught that you can change your gender!
Or even worse become a cat/furry.

It’s hard enough negotiating this period of your life, these young people do not need to be confused further.

A lot of men/boys dress as a woman, this does not necessarily mean they were born in the wrong body, it’s something called transvestic disorder, they only get aroused when dressed as a woman, many men with this disorder have undergone a sex change then realised their mistake.

A politician spouting this nonsense does nothing to help the situation.

annodomini

Don't worry. I think that David Lammy is likely to be Foreign Secretary, not Health Secretary!

Thank goodness for that.

IMO a lot of people, perhaps especially men, are clueless about basic biology. Dh went to a highly academic independent school and honestly hadn’t the first clue about a lot of basics - at his school biology was seen as ‘a girls’ subject’ and more or less reserved for those boys who were planning on reading medicine at university.

I was seriously shocked only a few years ago to realise that dh hadn’t a clue about photosynthesis - the process on which virtually all life on earth depends.

Smileless2012

I didn't know that Mollygo.

It’s a recent bit of learning for me.
I watched Dan Snow’s programme about them last night, and another one on Netflix. It has little to do with the OP really, but the programmes were well researched, unlike David Lammy’s comments.

Similar to bride burning perhaps ?

I didn't know that Mollygo.

Callistemon21
Some skeletons have been identified as female in connection with the Terracotta Warriors.

It is probable that these skeletons of young females, presumed to be those of the emperor’s concubines, were another example of misogyny.

Either the emperor who ordered the construction of the warriors, wanted his concubines to accompany him into the afterlife or maybe simply, if he was dead, so should they be.

At least he didn't say that trans women are women.

And a cervix is not what defines a "woman" either... Why aren't you angry that for the sake of argument we are being reduced to simple anatomy? Why don't you want to be who you are because you fought to be it and went through a lot to protect it? Therefore accepting anyone who wants that for you and themselves?

I didn't fight to be a woman, Violetsky.

I just am, it's in my DNA.

Doodledog

I agree that a man's body cannot be changed into a woman's, and I guess the arguments will go on for as long as people insist that it can, and that consequently women as a sex class should cease to exist.

Is resisting that an obsession?

No, it is imperative.

The more the waffle, the more the wool will be pulled over people's eyes especially younger, trusting generations.
There is enough misogyny in the world without adding to it.

M0nica

No one is 'not accepting' of transpeople.

Anyone can be anything they want. All we are saying is that there is one limit, which is beyond our control, and that is biological. There are 2 sexes which are biologically distinct, yes, there are inevitably the fuzzy edges where, for a few, a very few, people are biologically not distinct, but what sex we are born we can never change.

People can adjust their bodies by surgery and drugs but their natal sex remains.

If someone, unknown, got lost in some wilderness and when their body was discovered, they were just a skeleton, no clothes or anything to identfy their gender. Scientist would take a DNA sample and the first ting it would tell them would be that person's sex, regardless of what gender they may have been when living.

Some skeletons from Pompeii have recently been identified as women.

Őtzi's skeleton was identified as a man after 5,000 years.

VioletSky

He doesn't say that

He simply does not understand that someone having an operation to create a vagina (which generally happens after hormone treatment) doesn't need a cervix, just a vaginal canal...

Which is what he means... How many women are out there who cannot correctly label their own genitalia? Let alone men...

Also again, the statement that only women can have a cervix is untrue... Trans men may have a cervix

And a cervix is not what defines a "woman" either... Why aren't you angry that for the sake of argument we are being reduced to simple anatomy? Why don't you want to be who you are because you fought to be it and went through a lot to protect it? Therefore accepting anyone who wants that for you and themselves?

I've just had an operation to replace a body part. I would not call it by the original name I used for that body part because it's not. I hope it will function well but it is an artificial construct.

Trans men do not have cervices. What they could have, presumably courtesy of our NHS, is an artificial construct to resemble a cervix.

I agree that a man's body cannot be changed into a woman's, and I guess the arguments will go on for as long as people insist that it can, and that consequently women as a sex class should cease to exist.

Is resisting that an obsession?

How long is all this going to go on for? It's becoming an obsession!
A man's body is different from a woman's in many ways, not just the genitals. Therefore a man's body cannot be changed into a woman's.
A person can live as their chosen gender, even be accepted by society as their chosen gender....but physically they will remain their birth gender.
That's it in a nutshell.