Anyone else feel a sense of impending doom that we’ll have a Labour government tomorrow?

Great minds Germanshepherdsmum!

Crossed posts Aveline.

Good point about the lawyers - who swallow so much of our very limited legal aid budget.

MayBee70

It wasn’t up to Keir to come up with a plan. It was up to the government and all they could come up with was the grossly expensive ineffective Rwanda plan. Anyway time will now tell. I’ve got a government that I have confidence in so I’ll leave you lot to lose sleep about how that will affect you.

The Rwanda plan was not ineffective. The illegal immigrants have stopped going to Ireland now because of the Rwanda threat. It was a deterrent to them.

Your lot did their very best to claim thatRwanda was a terrible place to send immigrants to just to get back at the Conservatives plans.

I have had my friend here for lunch, she is from Tanzania which is next toRwanda. She says that Rwanda is a beautiful country where people are now choosing to go on holiday to. She says there is plenty of work there and schemes to start up new businesses for those who WANT to work. Those people coming on boats don’t want to work and pay taxes etc because TikTok tells them the streets are paved with gold here and you get everything you need provided for you without having to work.

The numbers are huge Daddima. Where are they going to live if granted asylum and what jobs will they do? They are not all skilled people needed in our workforce. Some have children for whom school places have to be found. Interpreters have to be found. We don’t even have a clue who some of them are because they have no papers.

It’s not xenophobia, this is a real crisis which our country faces with no sign of getting anything other than much worse. I have no objection to controlled immigration and our country needs it - but the thousands arriving on boats are something else.

Dadima I have no problem with 'foreigners' coming here to work. I'm not so keen on the boatloads of young men arriving on our beaches. Each one has to be processed, health checked, fed and accommodated etc for months if not longer. The costs are enormous. There have been thousands of them so multiplied they add up to we can't afford them. Add to that the cost of the legal industry around keeping them here and you see why Reform got so many votes.
However, potential immigrants with something to offer and not just take from us are more than welcome. The waves of Polish people were a great asset to us here and I suspect elsewhere

M0nica

Farage will find time to grandstand, whether in the Parliamentary chamber or outside it.

Farage is a stupid man. He is one of lifes disrupters, not a person to take responsibility, not a person to work with other people or put anybody elses interest ahead of his own. He is in many ways another Boris, loves strirring up he cr*p, but not interested in clearing it up.

He is in every way a clown, never happier than when performing in a public place while everyone stands round and claps him and urges him on.

M0nica I often enjoy reading your posts but on this you are very wrong.

NF is NOT stupid - look at what he has achieved in just under a month. I caught half of his speech this afternoon and he quite rightly pointed out that he speaks from the heart and doesn’t need notes. Starmer in his speech today had to look at his notes something like 120 times!

NF took on Brexit and won. He fought for the Post Office scandal and he took on the Banks and won there too. Where were all the others? They couldn’t care less.

Obviously you dislike him but millions do like him. Reform is the most followed party on social media by young people. His rally at Birmingham was sold out with 5,000 people at very short notice. Wherever he speaks, people turn up and listen. He is a great orator and he can get on with people from all walks of life.

I will remind you of your words in just a few months.😉

It wasn’t up to Keir to come up with a plan. It was up to the government and all they could come up with was the grossly expensive ineffective Rwanda plan. Anyway time will now tell. I’ve got a government that I have confidence in so I’ll leave you lot to lose sleep about how that will affect you.

We have five Independent MPs who have been voted in on a pro Palestine ticket, all calling for a ceasefire in Gaza.
pro Palestine MPs
One of them was Jeremy Corbyn, who told voters that 'Palestine is on the ballot' on polling day and created a logo using the colours of the Palestinian flag.

I do wonder just how ‘huge’ an issue uncontrolled immigration is. Of course, there are the many tales of ‘illegals’ living in 5 star luxury, getting hundreds of pounds in benefits, free cars etc, and many people quote these things, when what they really mean is they don’t want foreigners in ‘their’ country. I suspect that is where the ‘huge’ number comes in. So many people get their information from social media, then quote things to justify their xenophobia.

Sir Starmer has repeatedly said he will smash the gangs and negotiate with the French.

Well Rishi Sunak has been negotiating with the French, giving them £ millions along with finding and breaking up 100’s of the gangs.

All to no avail, take out one gang and another one immediately pops up.

Unfortunately Labour do not have a credible alternative plan to stop the influx of small boats, to stop the gang masters becoming richer by the day, or the inevitable deaths in th channel.

I didn’t say you were stupid MayBee, and I wouldn’t dream of doing so. However to put it as kindly as I can, if you think that the needs of everyone will be treated equally and illegal immigrants won’t be blamed for anything I think your specs are very heavily rose tinted.

MayBee70

Primrose53

MayBee70

Well, my new Labour MP has already arranged a public meeting with her constituents to discuss what can be done to help people with special needs. Because those are the things that need sorting: not this constant focus on how many people are arriving in boats every day. And this is the day that that particular type of scapegoating ends. Until Farage starts spouting his bile in parliament. I’m far more worried about that than what Labour will or won’t do.

MayBee70 do you honestly believe that people with special needs will take priority over the boat people? How many times do people have to be told there will not be enough money to go round ….. look at what we are paying every single day to pay for those who are already here.

The needs of everyone will be treated equally. And people on boats will not be used as scapegoats and dehumanised. Can’t help but feel that a lot of you will actually be disappointed if the number of people arriving on boats does reduce. However it isn’t going to happen quickly because Keir will be looking at the problem as a whole, not just coming up with gimmicky solutions. It’s a complex problem and he will have been thinking about it for a longtime.

And you believe that MayBee70? He has had several years to come up with a plan re the boat people. All he has done is get his supporters and lawyers to put a spoke in everything The Conservatives have done to try and solve the problem.

He hasn’t come up with a plan because he was too scared of offending the ethnic population who he was relying on to vote for him.

You really think I’m stupid don’t you? How patronising.

Oh dear MayBee, you really have swallowed the party line haven’t you? I fear you are in for a very big disappointment. Blind faith I think.

Primrose53

MayBee70

Well, my new Labour MP has already arranged a public meeting with her constituents to discuss what can be done to help people with special needs. Because those are the things that need sorting: not this constant focus on how many people are arriving in boats every day. And this is the day that that particular type of scapegoating ends. Until Farage starts spouting his bile in parliament. I’m far more worried about that than what Labour will or won’t do.

MayBee70 do you honestly believe that people with special needs will take priority over the boat people? How many times do people have to be told there will not be enough money to go round ….. look at what we are paying every single day to pay for those who are already here.

The needs of everyone will be treated equally. And people on boats will not be used as scapegoats and dehumanised. Can’t help but feel that a lot of you will actually be disappointed if the number of people arriving on boats does reduce. However it isn’t going to happen quickly because Keir will be looking at the problem as a whole, not just coming up with gimmicky solutions. It’s a complex problem and he will have been thinking about it for a longtime.

I don’t think Farage needs to have a workable plan Doodledog. He just needs to keep asking what Labour are doing, what they have achieved, and emphasise each time how many people have come here on boats this year/month/week/since Labour took office. He can do that in the HoC with the Speaker’s consent, on tv, on social media, in the newspapers. He will make sure the message is heard and I don’t envy Yvette Cooper having to deal with him. It’s Reform’s stance on immigration which has ensured they received so many votes, whatever we think of the party or any of its members and supporters. Uncontrolled immigration is a huge issue for the country and Farage simply needs to keep hammering away. He will, I think, do that very well.

I have been surprised by just how much political commentators are taking him seriously.
Bit gobsmacked actually.

Nicenanny3

flump

Farage likes to hear the sound of his own voice. He needs to be in the limelight as it gives him the validation he thinks is his due. He is an egotist and needs to be relevant, otherwise he is nothing. Which of course, in reality, he is.

Yet Labour won the election and all you are talking about is Farage, why bother?

I think posters are answering your comments. Rude to just ignore you.

M0nica

Farage will find time to grandstand, whether in the Parliamentary chamber or outside it.

Farage is a stupid man. He is one of lifes disrupters, not a person to take responsibility, not a person to work with other people or put anybody elses interest ahead of his own. He is in many ways another Boris, loves strirring up he cr*p, but not interested in clearing it up.

He is in every way a clown, never happier than when performing in a public place while everyone stands round and claps him and urges him on.

I agree with much of what you have written, but he was clever enough to con Tory voters to vote for him. His rhetoric about being the post election opposition party certainly was laughable, unfortunately for the Tories their ‘loyal’ voters switched allegiances, thus destroying the party.
Interesting times, as for Farage ‘ empty vessels’.

flump

Farage likes to hear the sound of his own voice. He needs to be in the limelight as it gives him the validation he thinks is his due. He is an egotist and needs to be relevant, otherwise he is nothing. Which of course, in reality, he is.

Yet Labour won the election and all you are talking about is Farage, why bother?

Farage likes to hear the sound of his own voice. He needs to be in the limelight as it gives him the validation he thinks is his due. He is an egotist and needs to be relevant, otherwise he is nothing. Which of course, in reality, he is.

M0nica

Farage will find time to grandstand, whether in the Parliamentary chamber or outside it.

Farage is a stupid man. He is one of lifes disrupters, not a person to take responsibility, not a person to work with other people or put anybody elses interest ahead of his own. He is in many ways another Boris, loves strirring up he cr*p, but not interested in clearing it up.

He is in every way a clown, never happier than when performing in a public place while everyone stands round and claps him and urges him on.

What a load of tosh.

Farage will find time to grandstand, whether in the Parliamentary chamber or outside it.

Farage is a stupid man. He is one of lifes disrupters, not a person to take responsibility, not a person to work with other people or put anybody elses interest ahead of his own. He is in many ways another Boris, loves strirring up he cr*p, but not interested in clearing it up.

He is in every way a clown, never happier than when performing in a public place while everyone stands round and claps him and urges him on.

I imagine one of Farage’s first actions will be opening discussions about crossing the floor to join the Tories.

He won’t get the opportunity in parliament frequently though Chestnut. He won’t be the leader of the opposition, or a shadow cabinet minister. With four MPs Reform will be way down the pecking order, after the Tories, Lib Dem’s, SNP, DUP, and equal with the Greens and Plaid. I think you underestimate the other opposition parties too, there will be plenty of people with things they want heard. It’s not Farage’s natural habitat at all.