Anyone else feel a sense of impending doom that we’ll have a Labour government tomorrow?

Chestnut

MaizieD Farage will certainly make his mouth go at every opportunity outside parliament but you know the old saying: 'Empty buckets make the most noise'.
No matter what you think of him you cannot call him an empty bucket which implies stupidity. In four weeks he has gathered together a party and taken a huge share of the vote. The Conservatives have been around for 200 years!

I agree with GSM. I'm glad he got in because we really need someone to speak out on immigration issues. I'm not sure anyone else has the will or the confidence to stand up against that wall of red MPS opposite.

I think the phrase (which I was taught as 'empty vessels make most sound') just means that those with little to say talk the most. It doesn't imply stupidity to me, but someone who likes the sound of their own voice.

Farage is a very good orator, but he doesn't have much to say on anything other than immigration, and he has no sensible plans to deal with it. Take people back to France and dump them on the beach? Not much of a policy, is it?

He doesn't seem to recognise that a significant percentage of NHS staff are immigrants, or that Brexit left a lot of jobs in hospitality and care unfilled.

I will be interested to hear him on PMQs, although he won't get the floor very often. I think he will struggle to argue rather than rant or pontificate, as there is not much detail behind the surface. Lee Anderson and Richard Tice are given to saying embarrassing things when given the spotlight too, so I guess it won't be long before their true colours are more visible, and Farage will have to keep a lid on that as well as manage his own reputation.

MaizieD Farage will certainly make his mouth go at every opportunity outside parliament but you know the old saying: 'Empty buckets make the most noise'.
No matter what you think of him you cannot call him an empty bucket which implies stupidity. In four weeks he has gathered together a party and taken a huge share of the vote. The Conservatives have been around for 200 years!

I agree with GSM. I'm glad he got in because we really need someone to speak out on immigration issues. I'm not sure anyone else has the will or the confidence to stand up against that wall of red MPS opposite.

'Impending doom'? Does not even come close!

and then everyone said at the time that we couldn't expect much from the Tories, because they'd inherited years of terrible governing from Labour... and of course here we go again, back on that roundabout...

There's a world off difference between the lies the tories told about the economy (which was actually doing fine) in 2010) and the absolute mess the tories have left the country in 14 years later. I won't bother to detail it here because I'm short of time, but I'm sure someone else can enlighten you.

Poppyred

Yes! People have such short memories…….the last Labour government ruined this country for ever.

So True... and then everyone said at the time that we couldn't expect much from the Tories, because they'd inherited years of terrible governing from Labour... and of course here we go again, back on that roundabout... No doubt labour will say exactly the same and nothing will be fixed..

Hopefully she won't be engaged in siphoning off what she does have to her friends and associates, though.

Your new MP won’t have money to spend on the things she promises MayBee.

Iam64

Primrose53

Juniewoonie

I’m not a political animal in anyway with absolutely no political affiliation. But I must admit I’m a bit scared this morning, worried about taxation and loosing the triple lock. I already struggle in the winter with choices between eating or heating and the thought that I might loose some income terrifies me.

You also need to keep a watch on the Channel Junie because illegal immigrants will be flooding in after today’s result because that is exactly what Labour want! They will be holding up signs saying ALL WELCOME.

How can people be non political? The personal is political. I hope you dont need to worry about losing income. We’ve all been losing income every time we get a basket shop. It cost £25 not many months ago, now £50

Primrose - your posts on immigration get sillier imo

Iam64

You mark my words. You will be the one looking silly when the next migration figures come out!

Germanshepherdsmum

You don’t surprise me. If we think things are bad now, wait and see how much worse they become, very quickly. Is a former human rights lawyer going to be tough on immigration? No way. Farage will be a constant thorn in his side, thank goodness. More power to his elbow.

Totally agree germanshepherdsmum 👏👏

MayBee70

Well, my new Labour MP has already arranged a public meeting with her constituents to discuss what can be done to help people with special needs. Because those are the things that need sorting: not this constant focus on how many people are arriving in boats every day. And this is the day that that particular type of scapegoating ends. Until Farage starts spouting his bile in parliament. I’m far more worried about that than what Labour will or won’t do.

MayBee70 do you honestly believe that people with special needs will take priority over the boat people? How many times do people have to be told there will not be enough money to go round ….. look at what we are paying every single day to pay for those who are already here.

Germanshepherdsmum

How many people voting for them had forgotten or chose to ignore his role in the PO scandal?

Most had realised he was no more culpable than many other ministers - evidenced by the fact that he was the only leader whose popularity rose during the election campaign. It matters not if you like him or not, you have to admit they did very well indeed. .

tickingbird

Anyone concerned regarding the abuse and threats hurled at Jess Phillips? Also the fact that longstanding Labour MP in Birmingham, Khalid Mahmoud has been ousted by an independent on the pro Palestine ticket, is worrying. I had a lot of time for Mr Mahmoud. It’s worrying.

I agree, I'm no fan of Jess Phillips but some terrible things have been going on there and I admire her for being so brave.

Also Jonathan Ashworth has been ousted by a pro Palestine candidate in Leicester South.

But every cloud has a silver lining. At least Galloway has been ousted.

How many people voting for them had forgotten or chose to ignore his role in the PO scandal?

I am sure Farage will be so busy dealing with complaints about dog poo, seagulls, planning disputes, council services and all the other important and trivial concerns of his constituents; being an active and engaged member of parliamentary committees; and forensically scrutinising legislation on a broad range of issues, as any other responsible MP would, that he won’t have much time for self-publicity.

You have to hand it to the Lib Dem’s, they understood the rules, and played a very effective campaign. They targeted the right seats, and threw manpower and effort at them, lots of door knocking paid off.

GrannyGravy13
Reform got 4,072,947 votes which has given them 4 MP’s
Lib Dem’s got 3,487,568 votes which has given them 71 MP’s

I always notice those statistics GG13 because they are so important. Here are the figures from today.

That was in reply to Nicenanny.

You don’t surprise me. If we think things are bad now, wait and see how much worse they become, very quickly. Is a former human rights lawyer going to be tough on immigration? No way. Farage will be a constant thorn in his side, thank goodness. More power to his elbow.

ronib

I wonder if the four Reform MPs will do the turning their backs routine when in Parliament? I remember it had some effect in the EU?
I would never underestimate Nigel Farage and I expect that his influence will continue to grow.

On the contrary, I think today he hits his peak. It will be down hill all the way from now.

Three of his four seats are right on the far eastern fringe, with populations that are older than average, a very high vote for Brexit and have lower education attainment and high unemployment.

Mor and more of those who voted for Brexit are regretting it and as we know the older you are, the closer you are to death.

If Starmer succeeds in even half the things he promises, to help those on the margin and to reduce inequality, these four seats will melt like ice in summer just as did the Conservative take over of those Labour seats in the last election, all are now safely gathered back by labour.

Amir, 23, a bean seller from Kurdistan, said migrants had given Sir Keir a nickname that roughly translates as a man who works for refugees or workers.

He said: “We are calling him [Starmer] ‘Party Krekaran’ because we have heard that this guy is really helpful to the refugees.”

Amir added that he would make the crossing “as soon as possible” now Sir Keir Starmer is in power.

He said: “It’s really good for us. We were really nervous in our countries to travel all the way here and get sent back.

“We no longer live in fear of sending us to Rwanda. I’ve seen a couple of documentaries and Rwanda is not the best place.” (The Telegraph today)

Germanshepherdsmum

Farage will be sure to harangue Starmer about immigration at every opportunity, so for that reason I’m glad he’s got a seat. He will have the latest figures at his fingertips every time and will ram them home. Starmer has no credible plan to deal with the boats but the numbers voting for Reform show what a serious issue this is for the public.

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Farage is brilliant at self publicity and I agree that his influence will continue to grow. He won’t miss an opportunity to keep immigration at the top of the agenda and it will be very uncomfortable for Labour.

Anyone concerned regarding the abuse and threats hurled at Jess Phillips? Also the fact that longstanding Labour MP in Birmingham, Khalid Mahmoud has been ousted by an independent on the pro Palestine ticket, is worrying. I had a lot of time for Mr Mahmoud. It’s worrying.

I wonder if the four Reform MPs will do the turning their backs routine when in Parliament? I remember it had some effect in the EU?
I would never underestimate Nigel Farage and I expect that his influence will continue to grow.

I can’t even get back to watching Wimbledon as it’s raining again! It’s a lovely day here in the East Midlands. Oh well back to the Tour de France or some housework!!