Yvette Cooper / Migrant Watch / Stopping The Boats

Professor Matt Goodwin has written an article about how mass immigration is having a devastating effect on our country. Chestnut is absolutely right.

Chestnut

Mt61

All I can say is, I am glad I am on my way out & not on my in, dread to think what this country is going to be like in 10/20 years time. Think of the legacy you are leaving for your grandchildren

It makes me weep to think of what my children will have to face in their old age, and what my lovely grandchildren will have to endure in 30 or 40 years time. You can see where this country is heading just by watching the news reports.

Where's it heading? I bet you didn't know where the country was heading 40 years ago.

Chestnut

growstuff

Chestnut

Proposing something and doing it are two different things, and even so it will take time. Meanwhile, people are still banging on about how we 'need' more people. I'd say 67 million is quite enough people, how can we need more?

Firstly, the country needs HE students' money. Secondly, we have an ageing population who rely on others for personal care. Even if they were paid more, I'm not sure I'd want to be cared for by people who were otherwise unemployable and only doing the job for the money. Thirdly, we need people with higher level skills which aren't available in the UK.

How can anybody say how many people are "enough"? It's not as though the country is actually sinking with the weight of all the humans on it.

I'm afraid the country is actually sinking with the weight of 68 million people. Haven't you noticed the shortage of housing, hospitals, schools, prisons, even clean water. The sewage of 68 million people is being dumped in our rivers and seas. London alone has 8.9 million people while New Zealand has 5.2 million people in the whole country.

UK density 725 people per square mile
New Zealand density 51 people per square mile

This country is definitely overcrowded, and that is where many of our problems lie.

Let's send everybody to Rwanda - population density 584 per sq km - that's double the density of the UK. How about Singapore with a population density of 8276 per sq km?

Funnily enough, some other countries seem to manage much higher population density than the UK.

Their world will be very different, we cannot really know, how things will be in 40 years: not how we have known it.
Interesting thread on this in past GN
www.gransnet.com/forums/aibu/1273339-AIBU-to-be-worried-about-the-future-for-my-grand-children

Hey!, someone with some sense

Mt61

All I can say is, I am glad I am on my way out & not on my in, dread to think what this country is going to be like in 10/20 years time. Think of the legacy you are leaving for your grandchildren

It makes me weep to think of what my children will have to face in their old age, and what my lovely grandchildren will have to endure in 30 or 40 years time. You can see where this country is heading just by watching the news reports.

growstuff

Chestnut

Proposing something and doing it are two different things, and even so it will take time. Meanwhile, people are still banging on about how we 'need' more people. I'd say 67 million is quite enough people, how can we need more?

Firstly, the country needs HE students' money. Secondly, we have an ageing population who rely on others for personal care. Even if they were paid more, I'm not sure I'd want to be cared for by people who were otherwise unemployable and only doing the job for the money. Thirdly, we need people with higher level skills which aren't available in the UK.

How can anybody say how many people are "enough"? It's not as though the country is actually sinking with the weight of all the humans on it.

I'm afraid the country is actually sinking with the weight of 68 million people. Haven't you noticed the shortage of housing, hospitals, schools, prisons, even clean water. The sewage of 68 million people is being dumped in our rivers and seas. London alone has 8.9 million people while New Zealand has 5.2 million people in the whole country.

UK density 725 people per square mile
New Zealand density 51 people per square mile

This country is definitely overcrowded, and that is where many of our problems lie.

Mt61

All I can say is, I am glad I am on my way out & not on my in, dread to think what this country is going to be like in 10/20 years time. Think of the legacy you are leaving for your grandchildren

My sentiments exactly

All I can say is, I am glad I am on my way out & not on my in, dread to think what this country is going to be like in 10/20 years time. Think of the legacy you are leaving for your grandchildren

Skydancer

There is so much trouble in the world. Here in the UK we already have immense problems. By allowing uninvited and unknown individuals to come here means we have even more problems to sort out which we cannot do. We definitely definitely do not need any more people.

I'm afraid the country does need more people. We certainly need the money and expertise they bring with them.

Oops! Just realised you're another one who confuses legal immigration (which makes up the majority of immigration) and people who arrive "on boats".

Good question Iam64.

What do the anti refugee/asylum seeker posters suggest is to be done?

I already suggested what I thought needs to happen.

So what do you and all the welcome all, legal or not, with open arms posters say you would do?

You’ve probably watched the news where people here are saying they can’t afford/find a house.
You may have read or even contributed to posts about the increasing need for food banks.

NB I’m a bit concerned about asking.

As one poster put it earlier today.

This isn't some kind of interrogation.

Chestnut As far as skilled workers are concerned, the deal is very often reciprocal.

There is so much trouble in the world. Here in the UK we already have immense problems. By allowing uninvited and unknown individuals to come here means we have even more problems to sort out which we cannot do. We definitely definitely do not need any more people.

Iam64

Well said growstuff

What do the anti refugee/asylum seeker posters suggest is to be done. Rwanda -illegal even if we are prepared to disregard human need

Wars and climate change means the need to try and get to safety will increase. It’s a global problem. It needs international co-operation.

Rwanda:

Meanwhile in Rwanda, 22.000 prisoners from the appalling genocide in the 1990's are being released this year.

www.justiceinfo.net/en/130199-rwanda-2200-genocidaires-released-2024-who-are-they.html#:~:text=And%2C%20according%20to%20the%20SCR,the%20Tutsi%20genocide%20in%201994.

There are also tensions with the Congo

"Rwanda-backed rebels are choking the Congolese people, yet this is one conflict the world can easily end"

www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/apr/11/rwanda-militias-drc-goma

Safe as houses for us to operate there still?.

Thanks Wyllow.

Clearly, we definitely should not be listening to the Australians!

Iam64

Thanks LizzieDrip for that information.
We have nothing to learn from Australia on how to respond to the vulnerable or about racism

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Also
www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/04/number-of-asylum-seekers-on-nauru-jumps-as-australia-transfers-37-people-who-arrived-by-boat

"“Senate estimates heard Australia’s offshore processing regime on Nauru has cost, in the nine months to the end of March, $240m this financial year.
The regional processing centre itself has cost $111m, and settlement services $122m.

Shoebridge said that based on 64 people held on the island (the figure at the time of questioning), it was costing Australian taxpayers $4m a year to hold a single asylum seeker offshore

Well said growstuff

What do the anti refugee/asylum seeker posters suggest is to be done. Rwanda -illegal even if we are prepared to disregard human need

Wars and climate change means the need to try and get to safety will increase. It’s a global problem. It needs international co-operation.

Chestnut

Proposing something and doing it are two different things, and even so it will take time. Meanwhile, people are still banging on about how we 'need' more people. I'd say 67 million is quite enough people, how can we need more?

Firstly, the country needs HE students' money. Secondly, we have an ageing population who rely on others for personal care. Even if they were paid more, I'm not sure I'd want to be cared for by people who were otherwise unemployable and only doing the job for the money. Thirdly, we need people with higher level skills which aren't available in the UK.

How can anybody say how many people are "enough"? It's not as though the country is actually sinking with the weight of all the humans on it.

I agree Iam.

Thanks LizzieDrip for that information.
We have nothing to learn from Australia on how to respond to the vulnerable or about racism

Primrose should we really be listening to the Australians???

“Australia: Appalling abuse, neglect of refugees on Nauru.
Around 1,200 men, women, and children who sought refuge in Australia and were forcibly transferred to the remote Pacific island nation of Nauru suffer severe abuse, inhumane treatment, and neglect, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International said today.
The Australian government’s failure to address serious abuses appears to be a deliberate policy to deter further asylum seekers from arriving in the country by boat. Refugees and asylum seekers on Nauru, most of whom have been held there for three years, routinely face neglect by health workers and other service providers who have been hired by the Australian government, as well as frequent unpunished assaults by local Nauruans.
They endure unnecessary delays and at times denial of medical care, even for life-threatening conditions. Many have dire mental health problems and suffer overwhelming despair—self-harm and suicide attempts are frequent. All face prolonged uncertainty about their future.
Few other countries go to such lengths to deliberately inflict suffering on people seeking safety and freedom.
Anna Neistat, Senior Director for Research at Amnesty International
“Australia’s policy of exiling asylum seekers who arrive by boat is cruel in the extreme,” said Anna Neistat, Senior Director for Research at Amnesty International, who conducted the investigation on the island for the organization.
“Few other countries go to such lengths to deliberately inflict suffering on people seeking safety and freedom.”
Australian authorities are well aware of the abuses on Nauru. The Australian Human Rights Commission (AHRC), the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), a Senate Select Committee, and a government-appointed independent expert have each highlighted many of these practices, and called on the government to change them.” (amnesty.org)

Primrose53

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Just been listening to an Australian man involved in their Border Force. He was discussing the problems here and said “over time these figures will continue to grow.”

He also said that Labour in Australia had to reverse their position on immigration and the UK should definitely reconsider the Rwanda scheme.

We should be listening to theAustralians.

I agree. Not language that I have ever used nor, thankfully, have heard. That someone sees fit to use it here says a lot about them. Presumably nobody has yet reported it.

olddog. There really is no need to use foul language like that. (Page 12). It just makes “you” look common and uncouth.

I am surprised the mods have not removed this.