Yvette Cooper / Migrant Watch / Stopping The Boats

Sadly the compulsory acquisition of private property is not prohibited..

growstuff

Chestnut

Casdon

Chestnut

Of course we have and I agree that we should have a faster and more robust way of granting or refusing asylum to those who come through legal channels.
How fast and robust would it need to be? We've had 1,000 arrive on boats since Labour took over and they would need assessing along with the legal arrivals. Don't forget many throw out their passports and ID.

What you describe is status quo for an average summer week of arrivals Chestnut. The situation hasn’t changed at all since Labour came into power. It will inevitably take time for things to change.

Sorry, I wasn't implying that was Labour's fault, just illustrating the speed and number of arrivals are unsustainable. We have 1,000 people arriving in 10 days. How can we process and find accommodation for so many people on an ongoing basis? Where are they being housed? Maybe growstuff and others can tell us where this 1,000 can go, plus the next 1,000 and the 1,000 after that.

One per cent of the country's housing stock has currently been empty for more than six months.

So. Will it be another Robin Hood gesture by this Gov. Like raiding pension pots as has been mooted today. Yay Gordon Brown lives on.
Anyway HR act states "compulsory acquisition of private property is prohibited".

Proposing something and doing it are two different things, and even so it will take time. Meanwhile, people are still banging on about how we 'need' more people. I'd say 67 million is quite enough people, how can we need more?

Any country should be able to supply its own workforce, and if not then find a way through training and decent salaries

Precisely what the Labour government is proposing Chestnut.

It's always said that we need migrant workers to fill our job vacancies, but I have always felt deeply uncomfortable with this. We are in effect stealing workers, possibly skilled, medical, construction, whatever, from another country who may actually need them more than we do.

Don't people who advocate controlled migration, beneficial for us, feel guilty about this? I know I do. Any country should be able to supply its own workforce, and if not then find a way through training and decent salaries. Not through taking people from other poorer countries.

Yes Chestnut I agree with you, but this is completely overlooked by those supporting open migration.

I live in South Gloucestershire and we have been told that South Glos Council is going to have to build 20,000 new houses. There are already massive new housing estates - but no more doctors' surgeries or doctors, no dentists, our hospitals can't cope, the schools are full and there is gridlocked traffic in the rush hour on the Ring Road and all the roads leading into the towns.

The answer is not more people.

Grasping at straws , Chestnut ?

Sparklefizz

A guy was interviewed on the News last week. He had come over from Turkey via the boats. He had not yet been assessed. He complained that his youngest child hardly knew him. He said his wife and 3 children were in Turkey. Presumably if he is accepted, then he will want them all to come over .... so not one immigrant but 5 people coming to use our services.

Now I understand that some people are going on a hunger strike on the Bibby Stockholm complaining about what is provided.

I'm afraid it's not just 5 people. Anyone who has done their family history will know how quickly numbers can grow. He has 3 children, he may have more. Anyone with 6 children can easily have 12 grandchildren and 24 great grandchildren, maybe more. If they are all still alive that would be 44 living people counting the original couple. Assuming the original couple has died that's still 42 people from just one couple, possibly within the next 50 years.

So when we calculate numbers just think how many we may have in the future. Each person entering the country is not just one person if they have a family.

growstuff What was his reason for seeking asylum?

No idea, his reasons weren't mentioned, but he implied that Turkey was a stopgap so he had presumably come from the Middle East.

I have always distinguished between legal and illegal immigrants growstuff - controlled and uncontrolled immigration. We need immigrants to fill numerous jobs and they can be obtained via controlled immigration, though that is on occasion abused by sponsors as was in the news only yesterday. I have no objection whatsoever to those who come on student visas, study their intended course and either depart or are granted leave to stay when it ends; however we all know that the student visa scheme has been abused by those with no intention to study.

What we do not need is uncontrolled immigration - thousands arriving on boats, in the backs of lorries and the like. What do they have to offer? For every doctor or other professional person among them (who cannot practise in the UK without retraining), how many young men with no skills to offer and little or no English are there?

Sparklefizz

A guy was interviewed on the News last week. He had come over from Turkey via the boats. He had not yet been assessed. He complained that his youngest child hardly knew him. He said his wife and 3 children were in Turkey. Presumably if he is accepted, then he will want them all to come over .... so not one immigrant but 5 people coming to use our services.

Now I understand that some people are going on a hunger strike on the Bibby Stockholm complaining about what is provided.

What was his reason for seeking asylum?

Primrose53

There are now more people dying every day in this country than being born. We therefore should not need new houses but we do because of uncontrolled immigration.

As GSM rightly says they should be provided with tents and leave them to it. Even better don’t let them in at all.

What country in the world could you arrive in and expect to have a brand new house given to you?

How exactly would you stop immigrants entering the country?

Would you have a continuous line of border guards round the whole coast? Good luck with that!

A guy was interviewed on the News last week. He had come over from Turkey via the boats. He had not yet been assessed. He complained that his youngest child hardly knew him. He said his wife and 3 children were in Turkey. Presumably if he is accepted, then he will want them all to come over .... so not one immigrant but 5 people coming to use our services.

Now I understand that some people are going on a hunger strike on the Bibby Stockholm complaining about what is provided.

Germanshepherdsmum

I agree. And the change will continue exponentially. The authorities should know who is legally entitled to live here, who they are and whether they have a history of criminality or dangerous mental health episodes requiring treatment or even sectioning. It’s impossible to know any of these things about people who come here illegally with no identification. We just have to wait for some terrible crime to be committed, as has happened in the past. By then it’s too late for the victim. And before anyone accuses me of saying that all illegal immigrants are criminals, I am not - but statistically some of them will definitely be.

And the government has said it won’t bring in a requirement for people to carry ID …

I don't disagree with that, but as far as numbers and strain on resources are concerned it's the legal immigrants (whom the country needs) who cause the population growth.

I just wish people would differentiate between the two and stop lumping all immigrants together. (sigh)

I agree. And the change will continue exponentially. The authorities should know who is legally entitled to live here, who they are and whether they have a history of criminality or dangerous mental health episodes requiring treatment or even sectioning. It’s impossible to know any of these things about people who come here illegally with no identification. We just have to wait for some terrible crime to be committed, as has happened in the past. By then it’s too late for the victim. And before anyone accuses me of saying that all illegal immigrants are criminals, I am not - but statistically some of them will definitely be.

And the government has said it won’t bring in a requirement for people to carry ID …

There are now more people dying every day in this country than being born. We therefore should not need new houses but we do because of uncontrolled immigration.

As GSM rightly says they should be provided with tents and leave them to it. Even better don’t let them in at all.

What country in the world could you arrive in and expect to have a brand new house given to you?

Yes, GSM you are right especially when you say we don't have a clue who they are. That alone is totally ridiculous and, in most cases, how on earth can we find out who they are. This is certainly a popular thread with strong views. Most of us, including me, don't want the country we've always known and loved to change beyond recognition because this is what is happening before our eyes.

Indeed. Many of our homeless will have paid into the system, even been members of our armed forces. Why on earth are we providing anything more than tents in a secure compound for people who come here with neither invitation nor permission? That’s what they’re used to in Calais. Perhaps it would be a deterrent, rather than giving them a nice warm bed, food and money and letting them wander around at will when we don’t have a clue who they are.

And aren't you forgetting we already have a housing crisis with record numbers of homeless. Don't you think we should be providing homes for those already here (including ex-servicemen) before we give all our housing stock away to the rest of the world? Honestly, the logic is astounding.

Yes, lots of reasons why a property is empty. And a lot more will be empty whilst awaiting sale following Labour’s announcement that they will stop s21 evictions.

Germanshepherdsmum

Which will include houses belonging to people who have died, houses which are languishing on the market, houses being renovated, those awaiting redevelopment and those whose owners have gone into care which will eventually be sold.

Also people working abroad, people who have moved in with new partners and people in prison.

Wyllow3

Isn't part of the problem the paucity of safe and legal routes?
If there were, it would be easier to sort out and assess.

Lots of people aren't interested in this. Sadly.

Which will include houses belonging to people who have died, houses which are languishing on the market, houses being renovated, those awaiting redevelopment and those whose owners have gone into care which will eventually be sold.

Chestnut

Casdon

Chestnut

Of course we have and I agree that we should have a faster and more robust way of granting or refusing asylum to those who come through legal channels.
How fast and robust would it need to be? We've had 1,000 arrive on boats since Labour took over and they would need assessing along with the legal arrivals. Don't forget many throw out their passports and ID.

What you describe is status quo for an average summer week of arrivals Chestnut. The situation hasn’t changed at all since Labour came into power. It will inevitably take time for things to change.

Sorry, I wasn't implying that was Labour's fault, just illustrating the speed and number of arrivals are unsustainable. We have 1,000 people arriving in 10 days. How can we process and find accommodation for so many people on an ongoing basis? Where are they being housed? Maybe growstuff and others can tell us where this 1,000 can go, plus the next 1,000 and the 1,000 after that.

One per cent of the country's housing stock has currently been empty for more than six months.

Just read this on the government website:
In the year ending March 2024, 31,079 people arrived by small boats, 31% fewer than in the year ending March 2023 (45,019) (and 32% fewer than the peak of 45,774 in 2022).

So that's 121,872 arriving by boat over the last three years. These are not insignificant numbers. In another three years it will be 243,744 and 10 years from now nearly half a million.