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Why do some Scottish people dislike England so much

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GrannyGravy13 Sat 13-Jul-24 12:46:02

I have just seen this front page of The National.

I assume nobody from Scotland has ever been to Spain…

Grammaretto Thu 18-Jul-24 10:50:58

I voted remain, ofcourse, smile but I wanted reform of the EU which seemed unwealdy and too big and distant.

Sorry that's going off topic but I am in Scotland and don't hate the English which is lucky because I was born there, my DS and his lovely family live there.

We are a small island despite our large population. Scotland feels a lot less crowded than England. apart from Edinburgh with all its tourists
I feel privileged to live here.

nanna8 Thu 18-Jul-24 10:17:10

The Scots had sense in that respect! Pity there were not more of them to sway the vote.

Grandmabatty Thu 18-Jul-24 09:43:44

Nevertheless the overwhelming result from Scotland as a distinct country was to stay in the EU, at odds with England. At the time, I said this would fuel independence votes which it did do. The UK isn't a nation as such but a collection of nations in a union. This isn't a plea for Scottish independence. I wasn't in favour at the time.

Freya5 Thu 18-Jul-24 09:34:17

Grandmabatty

Actually Elegran, Scotland voted to stay in the EU.

But you didn't vote as Scotland, wether you like it or not we voted as a whole nation, not separate identities.

Grandmabatty Thu 18-Jul-24 09:07:35

Actually Elegran, Scotland voted to stay in the EU.

Elegran Thu 18-Jul-24 09:01:20

The UK as a whole voted to leave the EU and go it alone. Does that mean that all Britons dislike everyone whose country is part of that EU?

Parsley3 Thu 18-Jul-24 08:13:58

It not personal to any Scot but having a “nationalist” government gives me the impression that they dislike English

You have the wrong impression David Reasons for voting SNP are many and varied and now that Labour is in the ascendancy in Scotland you may want to review your opinion.
Wales and N Ireland are also part of the UK and "Scotland" doesn't hate those countries either.

OldFrill Wed 17-Jul-24 23:52:24

The Scottish "Nationalist" government only governed from 2021 because of a coalition with The Green Party. Since that disintegrated earlier this year they have governed as a minority government, the SNP Westminster MPs took a hammering in the GE resulting in a massive swing to Labour. Interesting times.

MissInterpreted Wed 17-Jul-24 21:53:28

David49

Marydoll

Thank you for coming back to respond, David.

I think the word minority is important here. I may not be very bright, but to me that means that the majority do not think this way.
You stated that you dislike Scots is that all of us or just a large minority? A bit of a sweeping statement. 😉
We can't all be bad.

It not personal to any Scot but having a “nationalist” government gives me the impression that they dislike English.
A majority has voted for the SNP in recent times, why vote for nationalists if you don’t believe in it, Sturgeon ranting on reinforced that.

That's quite the assumption. Wanting your country to be independent does not mean hating your neighbours.

David49 Wed 17-Jul-24 21:22:22

Marydoll

Thank you for coming back to respond, David.

I think the word minority is important here. I may not be very bright, but to me that means that the majority do not think this way.
You stated that you dislike Scots is that all of us or just a large minority? A bit of a sweeping statement. 😉
We can't all be bad.

It not personal to any Scot but having a “nationalist” government gives me the impression that they dislike English.
A majority has voted for the SNP in recent times, why vote for nationalists if you don’t believe in it, Sturgeon ranting on reinforced that.

Floradora9 Wed 17-Jul-24 21:11:56

Maybe because we feel we are second class citizens comapred to England . When did you ever hear King Charles referred to as King of Scotland but all the time he is king of Scotland . I was in the Bowes Museum and saw a display case of items from WW1 . A union flag was called the flag of England . I contacted the museum afterwards I was so angry . The queen mother lost one of her brothers , Fergus , in the war and he was Scottish and the museum was part of the Bowes Lyon properties at one time .
Despite there being a Scottish parliament with some authority the bulk of our life is ruled by English MPs. I am sure the Welsh and Irish feel the same .

Marydoll Wed 17-Jul-24 19:58:16

GrannyGravy13

MaryDoll you are certainly not bad 😘

GG.😍

GrannyGravy13 Wed 17-Jul-24 19:47:48

MaryDoll you are certainly not bad 😘

Marydoll Wed 17-Jul-24 19:22:58

Thank you for coming back to respond, David.

I think the word minority is important here. I may not be very bright, but to me that means that the majority do not think this way.
You stated that you dislike Scots is that all of us or just a large minority? A bit of a sweeping statement. 😉
We can't all be bad.

David49 Wed 17-Jul-24 18:09:33

As for David49, will he/she come back and respond to those of us, who found his/her post unpleasant?

A busy day for me

Maybe not a majority but a large minority don’t want to be part of the UK, they have considerable autonomy, that is not enough. If there is ever another independence referendum, let it be full independence, a separate nation.
I fully support self determination, I have no idea wether they would be better or worse off but I dont think the rest of the UK would suffer.

MissInterpreted Wed 17-Jul-24 16:30:14

I'm sorry you feel that way, SueDonim. I don't know what part of Scotland you live in, but I've never heard anyone else say they feel that way - and I'm talking about people who have come to live in my part of the country from all over the world.

SueDonim Wed 17-Jul-24 15:47:27

I’m sorry you’ve had that experience, Marydoll. My Yorkshire friends would say that ‘Dalesfolk are a law unto themselves!’.

Of course it’s just a minority but it still taints the air. We never came across it when we first moved to Scotland in the 70’s but it’s ramped up over the years and to be honest, I no longer feel at home in Scotland.

Wyllow3 Wed 17-Jul-24 15:29:48

I don't either - I have Scots relatives - one set considering independence, the other not, but deplore this kind of headline as its hate mongering of the worst kind.

MissInterpreted Wed 17-Jul-24 15:22:02

I totally agree with you there, Grandmabatty. I genuinely don't know any fellow Scots who hold views remotely like that.

Grandmabatty Wed 17-Jul-24 15:12:48

If George Galloway said it was raining, I'd stick my head out of the window to make sure. I don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth.
The majority of scots on the thread have decried the headline and said it is not the majority view of Scots, yet there are a few from other nations who have been thoroughly unpleasant about us as a nation. I think it's very sad to be so divisive.

Marydoll Wed 17-Jul-24 15:03:51

Mollygo

Marydoll

One cannot judge a whole nation on a minority

Of course you can’t and you shouldn’t, whether your experience is positive, or negative.

...but there are those who do.

As for David49, will he/she come back and respond to those of us, who found his/her post unpleasant?

Mollygo Wed 17-Jul-24 14:44:13

Marydoll

One cannot judge a whole nation on a minority

Of course you can’t and you shouldn’t, whether your experience is positive, or negative.

TerriBull Wed 17-Jul-24 14:07:01

No I know that Marydoll, it's always a minority, a horrible experience when anyone is on the receiving end of unwarranted vitriol. I'm sorry you experienced that, not nice.

Marydoll Wed 17-Jul-24 14:01:20

Terribull and SueDonim, I have experienced similar treatment, but in England.
My friends and I were at a Dickensian, Christmas Market in Grassington.
On hearing our accents, a stallholder refused to serve us and told us to get back to f**cking Scotland.

One cannot judge a whole nation on a minority.

OldFrill Wed 17-Jul-24 13:49:21

England football supporters favour the George Cross rather than the Union flag, although fortunately not Nike's 'enhanced' version on the team Euro's strip

This 'Scots are treated better than English abroad' is some kind of inverted snobbery, totally imagined.