Where is Nigel Farage?

Wyllow3

Thank you for the information, Merion.

You are welcome, Wyllow. I just thought I'd point it out because for whatever Farage and the party (over which we know he has total control) say in the media - they, as a block of five MPs, made a decision yesterday NOT to vote for an amendment to the King's Speech aimed at alleviating child poverty. However performative it was on the part of SNP's Stephen Flynn, Reform had nothing to lose in voting Aye ... but they didn't and that should worry people.

Whitewavemark2

No that isn’t libel.

If that poster had said that Is like Hitler or similar that would have been libel imo.

But the poster merely comparing the fact that Farage wanting women to have more babies was similar to the Lebensborn e.V is not libellous.

But the poster merely comparing the fact that Farage wanting women to have more babies was similar to the Lebensborn e.V is not libellous.

It would have been more circumspect to refer to the political and economic climate that existed at the time of Hitler's rise to power, rather than making a comparison with the man himself.

Because that is, really, the relevance.

I’m sure he’s used to revolting comments from vicious people, but as comments online can provoke actual physical attacks, they need to be taken seriously and not just laughed at or shrugged off.

BevSec

Apparently both Nigel Farage and Richard Tice gave pretty good maiden speeches in the HoC

Yes I've listened to both of them. I think Richard Tice will prove to be a fantastic MP for Boston and Skegness I know that area well.

Chestnut

JaneJudge Sorry you're feeling upset by the comments here. Sometimes even a fairly innocuous remark can strike you down when you're feeling low. I would say that the political threads are probably not the place to participate if you're feeling fragile, the cut and thrust on some threads can be brutal. I guess it's a bit like the HoC not for the faint hearted. 💐

I would say that the political threads are probably not the place to participate if you're feeling fragile, the cut and thrust on some threads can be brutal. I guess it's a bit like the HoC not for the faint hearted.

I intended to say the same, but then realised I sometimes dip into political threads myself as a diversion from personal problems, etc.

... and then wish I hadn't.

The thing to remember is that it's not - generally speaking - personal. You can disagree quite vehemently with someone on one topic, and equally enthusiastically agree with them on another.

Nigel Farage divides opinion, that much is obvious. So any thread with his name in the OP is going to potentially become, as you say, quite brutal.

But, as far back as I can remember as a child, politics divided our family members who would sit around the card-table in the evening arguing - not infrequently leading to one of them storming out in temper.

It will always be thus, and when times are hard, when there's a backdrop of global tension (we're now being warned defence-wise to be "ready for war within three years"), it's hardly surprising that anyone who's having personal problems at such a time is going to feel fragile.

I'm not given to nostalgia, but I do now find myself feeling wistful about the late 60s and 70s when political debate was more often likely to be in full swing in the local pub. The internet and SM is a great development, but it has given power and potency to both the marginalised and the more dominant in society (no to mention the perverse who use it to threaten and abuse), so the outcome is inevitable.

Anyway, I apologise if I've been offensive to anyone, it's not deliberate, nor personal, I challenge opinion and comment (and am equally contested) that's all. Sometimes, I don't even look at the name of the person whose comments I'm responding to.

No that isn’t libel.

If that poster had said that Is like Hitler or similar that would have been libel imo.

But the poster merely comparing the fact that Farage wanting women to have more babies was similar to the Lebensborn e.V is not libellous.

Thank you for the information, Merion.

*Farage wants Britons to have more children
So did Hitler, in Germany*

Surely this comment is libel?

Hopefully it will get sent to Nigel Farage for him to decide.

Disgusting comment.

Apparently both Nigel Farage and Richard Tice gave pretty good maiden speeches in the HoC

Chestnut, The anti Farage comments are truly hateful. People who meet him have very positive things to say about him. He is the voice for how so many people feel. That is why Reform are becoming more influential.

Just to be clear, correcting some misinformation given at the top of page 11:

Reform MPs did not vote in favour of scrapping the two child limit on Universal Credit and Tax Credits.

The question was:

… ’but respectfully regret that the Gracious Speech fails to include immediate measures to abolish the two-child limit to Universal Credit; recognise that this policy is pushing children into poverty; further recognise that 1.6 million children are currently impacted and maintaining thispolicy will result in 670,000 additional children suffering poverty by the end of this Parliament; believe that eradicating child poverty must be a primary priority for the newly-elected Government; and therefore call on the Government, as a vital first step in tackling child poverty, to immediately abolish the two-child limit.’.—(Stephen Flynn.)

The House divided.

Division No. 3

Ayes: 103
Noes: 363

Question negatived.

If you look at this, it clearly shows the seven rebel Labour MPs among the members voting Aye.

votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/1829#ayes

Click on No Vote Recorded and you will see that the five Reform MPs did not vote.

votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/1829#notrecorded

Wheniwasyourage

The trouble is that it’s not just his business. He is, as has been said, being well paid to be an MP, which means he should not be rushing off to visit a “friend” like Trump while Parliament is sitting. He isn’t a close relative, as far as I know, and even that wouldn’t be a justification for visiting after Trump has suffered a minor injury. I have no time for either of them but agree with those who think that they are dangerous.

There are more people in this country who I feel are more dangerous than the likes of Farage, who at least is loyal to this country. One has been jailed for life recently, Anjem Choudhary.

RosiesMaw2 this is an issue at the moment, the two child benefit cap and the fact we are not having enough babies.

The choice women have to have babies or not is entirely up to them. The state has no right to interfere with that choice in any way.

I rather suspect that the unspoken message is that not enough white British women are having babies...

Freya5

RosiesMaw2

Farage wants Britons to have more children
So did Hitler, in Germany.

Disgusting filthy analogy.

And then I get told I am wrong for saying the anti-Farage comments are hateful. Well here's the evidence, and there have been plenty more appalling comments like that.

RosiesMaw2 this is an issue at the moment, the two child benefit cap and the fact we are not having enough babies.

JaneJudge Sorry you're feeling upset by the comments here. Sometimes even a fairly innocuous remark can strike you down when you're feeling low. I would say that the political threads are probably not the place to participate if you're feeling fragile, the cut and thrust on some threads can be brutal. I guess it's a bit like the HoC not for the faint hearted. 💐

RosiesMaw2

^Farage wants Britons to have more children^
So did Hitler, in Germany.

Disgusting filthy analogy.

‘What an odd thing to say’

‘ I don't understand the point you're making’

I can’t possibly explain on this thread in all honesty.

Never lets us down that Farage

JaneJudge

That you need to think about one another more, that is all

You’ve made me feel like shit, for example and I’ve been having a tough few weeks. We all need to be better people to one another. None of them care about us. The divide between the rich and the poor is astonishing now. Even the educated middle classes are poor now. It’s exceptional, really

You’ve made me feel like shit, for example and I’ve been having a tough few weeks.

???

I'm sorry you're having a tough time JaneJudge - but I have not addressed you personally on this thread, so I don't understand why you're saying that?

Thanks for the link Merion - I'll have a look at that, it seems quite comprehensive.

He talks casually about bringing in private investment but unclear what the money would be used for and whether he understands the particular issues that this very mixed constituency has.

If the median age is 50 - I wonder what kind of business and investment he has in mind?

Yes, the devil is in the detail. Or would be if there were any details.

That you need to think about one another more, that is all

You’ve made me feel like shit, for example and I’ve been having a tough few weeks. We all need to be better people to one another. None of them care about us. The divide between the rich and the poor is astonishing now. Even the educated middle classes are poor now. It’s exceptional, really

JaneJudge

Nigel Farage doesn't care about any of you, yet you argue amongst yourselves

What an odd thing to say.

I'm not sure it matters whether or not he cares about any of us (and I'm equally sure we weren't under the impression he did).

I don't understand the point you're making.

Farage needs the birth rate to rise or his anti-immigration stance makes even less sense than it does now.

Farage wants Britons to have more children
So did Hitler, in Germany.

Or Farage knows where his votes are coming from. Whereas the labour party may be becoming a party of the middle class. I dont support reform. I support labour. But my morality and beliefs arent based on what my team supports.