Soldier in uniform stabbed

Usually in these situations the police take some considerable time before describing the attacker as having M health problems but this time the response was within an hour or so. This points towards hm as being someone known to MH services already.

There had simply not been the time for a complex psychiatric assessment required for such certainty and I do not think the police would, given the nature of the attack, invent this reason.

Cadeby, how can you possibly, possibly defend him?

Illegal migrant

Mt61

maddyone

Yes, I heard they caught him about twenty minutes after the attack.
If it’s not a terror attack, I sincerely hope he doesn’t get away with ‘mental health issues’ because it sounds very planned to me, and very targeted.

Absolutely is a lone wolf, terriost attack.
If he had mental health, why not attack just anybody on the street. I hope he doesn’t claim the mental health card, or human rights, ( he has a cat!) I am afraid there will be more of these attacks- inevitable either the amount of illegals entering this country 😩 “we are so much better for being multi-cultural” 😩

Another sad piece of bad news that somebody has been hurt.

Possibly useful to clear up some confusion.

Personally I feel the term " lone wolf " adds some glamour to the attack and therefore could be avoided.

People don't " have mental health", The human brain is a complex thing and can be affected by poor mental health. The difficulties a person encounters ( through no fault of their own) can range from mild depression to more serious things.
Mental health difficulties can, of course affect all ethnicities.
Such an issue is not " a card" to be dealt but a sometimes misunderstood and stigmatised health condition.

To describe a person as "an illegal" is a misnomer and an insult.

I stand on both sides of this particular fence. I’m an ex-army wife with family currently serving in the military who lost a son-in-law to an IED in Afghanistan. I’m also a carer of relatives who have severe and enduring mental illness. My heart goes out to the soldier and his family - I have some idea of the shock, horror and fear they have endured. But, I also understand the (often fear based) paranoia experienced by people who are in psychosis and how it can drive them to act in ways with devastating consequences.

People who are found guilty of harming others due to a diagnosed mental illness are rigorously assessed and then would usually be sent to a high security (e.g. Broadmoor or Rampton) or a medium security facility. These are places where treatment is carried out to help the patient and manage future risk, but offer similar security to a prison.

Until we know what provoked the attack we should not guess. It could have been an argument or disagreement previously in local town ( not unknown, for revenge). Or any of the theories above.
But whatever cause. The main thing is the perpetrator is caught and the soldier is alive and hopefully recovering.

Surely, it can only be classed as a terrorist attack if a known terrorist organization either claims responsibility, or is, at least, thought by the police to be responsible?

Has terror attack become an accepted expression? I hope not, as it should mean an attack of terror, not an attack by a terrorist..

NanaTuesday

maddyone

I’ve just heard that at the moment police are not treating this as a terror attack. I’m unsure what other motive anyone would have to attack and try to kill a soldier, dressed in uniform, outside army barracks.

Mental health has been stated as the reason .

Of course it has!!

The get-out-of-jail card.

maddyone

I’ve just heard that at the moment police are not treating this as a terror attack. I’m unsure what other motive anyone would have to attack and try to kill a soldier, dressed in uniform, outside army barracks.

Mental health has been stated as the reason .

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Speculation is useless.

The problem with mental health facilities is that the person can be released at any time that the doctors decide, as I understand it. This is exactly why the parents of Barnaby Webber, who was murdered in Nottingham last year, along with two other people, are protesting vigorously that justice has not been done, and they are saying when he’s deemed to be well, he should serve time in prison and not be released on to the streets. I agree with them. I think the term ‘mental health issues’ is too easily used to describe these vile murderers.

Casdon

Yes I get it.
We all have subjects that get our trigger finger itchy.

Mine as you can tell is freedom, especially in these coercive times, of speech. 😄

Anyway, I'm pleased you didn't keep quiet as it has allowed us to air our positions without any animosity (not that you would necessarily do that).

Too exhausting on a lovely day like today.☀️

Why do = why did

A sentence to a secure hospital is very different to being in gaol.
Otherwise why do offenders like the y.ripper try so hard to stay in there?

maddyone

Yes, I heard they caught him about twenty minutes after the attack.
If it’s not a terror attack, I sincerely hope he doesn’t get away with ‘mental health issues’ because it sounds very planned to me, and very targeted.

But surely mental health issues can cause a person to plan or target? I don’t think a properly diagnosed mental health condition can be classed as ‘ getting away with it’.

You’re right Namsnanny. Since the social media furore about Nicola Bulley, which really upset me because it resulted in things about her being disclosed which will haunt her family, and was so far off the mark, I’ve been hyper sensitive towards people making assumptions which hurt the person, or family, before proven. It happened again with Jay Slater, I cringed at the things some people said on Gransnet and more widely. This thread threatened to go the same way, which was why I said what I did. I should have kept quiet.

Casdon

The attacker could be an ex or current soldier, it could be a personal grudge, it could be a paranoid schizophrenic. It could be any number of scenarios, including terrorism. Why waste energy catastrophising before we are informed of the true situation?

Why waste energy on this post casdon?

Surely we dont need help to self censor just yet?

Yes maddyone I'm in total agreement.

I think the worst scenario has already happened to this poor soldier. The only thing that could happen that is worse is that he might die. Let’s hope not, and that he recovers and is healthy again. I should think he will have some mental issues when he recovers and he will need some tender care and very good councelling to help him cope.

There’s a difference between speculating and catastrophising lemsip. Speculating is considering a range of options, catastrophising is jumping to the worst possible scenario and assuming that’s what happened.

Casdon

The attacker could be an ex or current soldier, it could be a personal grudge, it could be a paranoid schizophrenic. It could be any number of scenarios, including terrorism. Why waste energy catastrophising before we are informed of the true situation?

not good to speculate, apparently!

Apparently the police are treating it not as a terror attack but a mental health incident.

It definitely brings it a lot closer to home. My son was a serving soldier when Lee Rigby was murdered, and I still have a number of friends whose sons are in the forces. My thoughts go out to this poor man and his family.