Manchester Airport Assault

growstuff.

No gaslighting from me, I wouldn’t know how. Just plain speaking, no riddles but if you accuse me again I will report you.

tickingbird

growstuff

Is gaslighting your new favourite word?
That’s the second time in a week you’ve accused me of it in relation to you. That or it’s your new get out clause.

tickingbird generally in GN there has been an increase of words/phrases like "you're silly/pathetic" - personally demeaning terms/labels

that just aren't necessary.

There are other ways of strongly disagreeing with a poster, as in "personally I found it obvious that" and giving reasons why.

@growstuff
There is no evidence that this man treated women like scum but you chose to misinterpret my comment. I was making the point that the police have a difficult job.

tickingbird

growstuff

Is gaslighting your new favourite word?
That’s the second time in a week you’ve accused me of it in relation to you. That or it’s your new get out clause.

Or maybe because that's what you do!

What I would like to know is how did the men contact their lawyer so quickly? Was he on speed dial? And now the lawyer is saying that it was an "attempted assassination". If that's not inflammatory talk, I don't know what is !

AGAA4

Police are armed at airports for counter terrorism purposes. In a terrorism incident they need to be armed for the safety of others.

I think thats inevitable sadly in a major airport.

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tickingbird

Don’t be silly. They were being arrested and 3 police officers were taken to hospital. The female officer was dripping blood all over the floor.

Now there’s mobs congregating outside a police station issuing demands. I dare say if it wasn’t for such intimidation they would have been charged.

I'm not being silly. I've watched various videos of the incident and know just as much as you do, which is not the whole story.

If it was obvious that there were reasons for charging, I have no doubt that it would have been done. I really don't think that the police are so wimpish that mobs would deter them from doing their duty.

Now maybe you'd care to stop gaslighting me because if I were a wimp, I'd find it intimidating.

Iam64

Whitewave - most police officers at airports are armed, for obvious reasons.
We don’t know who the 4 men arrested are. There seems to have been an altercation after the mother of the 2 brothers complained to them about the behaviour of some on the plane. No doubt GMP will be piecing together info from cctv cameras that show the build up to police involvement.

I think that the wishes of the family involved to keep politics out of it and due process take place should be respected by some of those demonstrating, certainly until we have the relevant reports.
However kicking in the head wasn't acceptable. Neither were the actions of those arrested if charged.

Police are armed at airports for counter terrorism purposes. In a terrorism incident they need to be armed for the safety of others.

Iam64

Whitewave - most police officers at airports are armed, for obvious reasons.
We don’t know who the 4 men arrested are. There seems to have been an altercation after the mother of the 2 brothers complained to them about the behaviour of some on the plane. No doubt GMP will be piecing together info from cctv cameras that show the build up to police involvement.

Yes I know that, we are friendly with one who works at Gatwick.

My point was that in any situation there is less tension and violence when there are no arms, which as far as I am concerned vindicates a non-armed police force.

Whitewave - most police officers at airports are armed, for obvious reasons.
We don’t know who the 4 men arrested are. There seems to have been an altercation after the mother of the 2 brothers complained to them about the behaviour of some on the plane. No doubt GMP will be piecing together info from cctv cameras that show the build up to police involvement.

AGAA4

Without knowing the sequence of events it's all just supposition. I keep seeing "highly trained officers" but they are human beings.
I hate violence of any kind but I think that would be forgotten if someone attacked a member of my family.
Police officers are a tightly knit group and it's hurt one you hurt us all.

I agree with this.

There are always armed police on duty in airports. The threat of terror attacks remains high and airports are possible targets in that regard. I prefer to be safe when I go to an airport.
In other situations , where terrorism is not considered so much a threat, police are not armed.
I think the overall rating for a terror attack in this country officially remains at high.

Without knowing the sequence of events it's all just supposition. I keep seeing "highly trained officers" but they are human beings.
I hate violence of any kind but I think that would be forgotten if someone attacked a member of my family.
Police officers are a tightly knit group and it's hurt one you hurt us all.

There have been a few comments on the fear by the police of their ams taken by those perpetrators and presumably using them, causing the police to react more violently.

I think that this a good argument for unarmed police where there are no arms being used.

Supposition again. Four have been arrested and evidence against each one has to be assessed.
At the same time there is great pressure to get the overall story of the sequence of events clear.

Don’t be silly. They were being arrested and 3 police officers were taken to hospital. The female officer was dripping blood all over the floor.

Now there’s mobs congregating outside a police station issuing demands. I dare say if it wasn’t for such intimidation they would have been charged.

tickingbird

Whilst the officer concerned clearly did lose control in a moment of madness and has been suspended, I don’t think the men have been charged with anything. This seems strange when 3 officers were badly assaulted.

We cannot allow a situation to develop where certain communities cannot be subject to the same treatment and laws as the rest the population.

How do you know these three aren't being treated the same as anybody else would have been? Maybe they didn't do anything to be charged.

LaCrepescule

Thank you for starting this thread. I’ve only seen the video and I really feel for police. They do a thankless job and whilst the officer could have shown more restraint, the reaction has been utterly disproportionate.
My daughter walks the streets in anger because young men from particular communities treat women like scum. The police are attempting to address this but will no doubt be accused of racism.

Where is the evidence that this particular young man had treated any woman like scum? If there isn't any, the police officer was taking out his feelings towards other young Pakistani men - that is racism.

As others have written, I would rather wait to find out what really happened. On the face of it, there was no need to kick and stamp on a man who was already on the ground and had been tasered.

Iam64

They are trained in the way you describe Callistemon. It’s possible these armed officers feared losing their weapons, also possible they get less experience at calming potentially violent incidents. My experience over many years was that police officers were highly skilled at calming difficult situations.

The female officers in particular are better at calming but all she got was a broken nose, I’m not condoning the officer but understanding why he lost control.

In a situation where a suspect has to be wrestled to the ground, others in the group may well try to take a gun from him, very dangerous.

Whilst the officer concerned clearly did lose control in a moment of madness and has been suspended, I don’t think the men have been charged with anything. This seems strange when 3 officers were badly assaulted.

We cannot allow a situation to develop where certain communities cannot be subject to the same treatment and laws as the rest the population.

Thank you for starting this thread. I’ve only seen the video and I really feel for police. They do a thankless job and whilst the officer could have shown more restraint, the reaction has been utterly disproportionate.
My daughter walks the streets in anger because young men from particular communities treat women like scum. The police are attempting to address this but will no doubt be accused of racism.

GMP has only just come out of special measures. They had been failing at almost every level.

This will be a set back.

I'm presuming this officer let his anger at what had happened to his colleagues over-ride his professional training.