Manchester Airport Assault

growstuff

Why is your focus only on one side? In my post, I deliberately didn't "take sides". I'm glad the family has dismissed the lawyer who most definitely did have an agenda, but it works both ways. Have you not seen the thousands of racist comments about the incident on social media?

I disagree as I’m not focusing on one side. as in the ethnicity of the brothers or the officers.

You questioned the agenda of those highlighting the ethnicity of the brothers. This was the lawyer, the family, the protesters, various commentators. They leaped on it and tried to blame institutional racism in GMP for the kick/stamp.

Many happily leapt on the racist police bandwagon. Some on here are still twisting themselves in knots over the racial abuse suffered by the mother on the plane. If that even happened, there’s still no excuse for the brothers violently assaulting said passenger. I doubt the altercation on the plane had anything to do with racism, anymore than the actions of the police did. However, claiming to be a victim of racism seems to exonerate a person of all kinds of bad behaviour. As evidenced on this thread “the mother was subjected to racial abuse on the plane”. It’s irrelevant what happened on the plane in regards to the violent and sustained attack on 3 police officers. Nothing that happened on that plane excuses their subsequent behaviour.

As for reading comments on social media, I don’t use any other SM. I have Facebook but rarely post and I read online news but mostly get my news from my tv and not just one outlet

I’ll also add that this works both ways. If this had been football supporters or white thugs, I doubt it would get much of a mention. It’s because of the ethnicity of the brothers it’s become so big and it’s them and their supporters who’ve focused on ethnicity.

Iam64

Tice and Anderson have shown us who they are so we aren’t surprised they’re posting inflammatory comments. This isn’t Trump’s America, where offensive comments about people they disagree with have been normalised
There have been demonstrations but so far no riots. Most sensible folk want that to continue

Some of the media want to stir up trouble instead of stepping back to look at the whole picture.

The video doesn't lie and action has been taken already but as I said above is only part of an hour long series of incidents. Which started with a racist insult, which we seem to be forgetting here.

Fed up of Tice being trotted out just to stir up more trouble.

Tice and Anderson have shown us who they are so we aren’t surprised they’re posting inflammatory comments. This isn’t Trump’s America, where offensive comments about people they disagree with have been normalised
There have been demonstrations but so far no riots. Most sensible folk want that to continue

I never said white, I said English football fans meaning fans who support the England football team or any football team come to that.

Nicenanny3

All I see is the truth, the video doesn't lie.

The comment about white football fans was your version of the truth.

Incidentally, I wouldn't take anything Richard Tice says as the truth. He blamed Muslims for starting the Harehill riot and reposted a fake picture of an injured police officer.

All I see is the truth, the video doesn't lie.

What has it to do with Richard Tice?

Nicenanny3

Richard Tice talking on TalkTV said they were 'violent vicious thugs' well I can't argue with that after seeing the videos and the way they repeatedly punched the police. Imagine if they were English football fans behaving like this they would have been carted off and be in a prison cell by now.

Oh here we go! Can't you see how divisive that is?

Richard Tice talking on TalkTV said they were 'violent vicious thugs' well I can't argue with that after seeing the videos and the way they repeatedly punched the police. Imagine if they were English football fans behaving like this they would have been carted off and be in a prison cell by now.

I'm glad the family has dismissed the lawyer who most definitely did have an agenda

I didn't know that, thank you. All I can say is thank goodness.

Iam64

Growstuff I share your criticism of My61 post.
When you complain it’s been politicised remember how that started. Twice, Anderson and the original lawyer fir the family all winding this up
Thank goodness fir Rochdale's mp and Andy Burnham

Yes.

Iam64

Growstuff I share your criticism of My61 post.
When you complain it’s been politicised remember how that started. Twice, Anderson and the original lawyer fir the family all winding this up
Thank goodness fir Rochdale's mp and Andy Burnham

Exactly! Wind ups on both "sides".

tickingbird

^What really concerns me is the way it's been politicised. The police are assaulted every single day by people of all sorts of ethnic backgrounds, so why highlight the ethnic background of these two? If course, it serves some people's agenda.^

100% agree. The mob demanding the release of the two thugs. The protests etc.

All screaming racism. Wonder what their agenda is

Why is your focus only on one side? In my post, I deliberately didn't "take sides". I'm glad the family has dismissed the lawyer who most definitely did have an agenda, but it works both ways. Have you not seen the thousands of racist comments about the incident on social media?

I have just watched the new video released in the online papers and I cannot blame the police in any way at all. These individuals were going crazy, beating up the policemen and woman, I hope they lock them up for a long time.

What really concerns me is the way it's been politicised. The police are assaulted every single day by people of all sorts of ethnic backgrounds, so why highlight the ethnic background of these two? If course, it serves some people's agenda.

100% agree. The mob demanding the release of the two thugs. The protests etc.

All screaming racism. Wonder what their agenda is

Growstuff I share your criticism of My61 post.
When you complain it’s been politicised remember how that started. Twice, Anderson and the original lawyer fir the family all winding this up
Thank goodness fir Rochdale's mp and Andy Burnham

I’m waiting for the fullest picture possible because the clips we’ve seen are short and extremely dramatic as to the last parts of the whole story, whereas events took place over an hour or so.

What was the nature of the racist abuse? It does matter, why should the woman involved have to tolerate it if it was really offensive?

What happened when members of the Mum’s family talked to the alleged abuser?

What did that person report to the police? Was it entirely accurate?

What decisions were taken as to how to follow this up by the police, what did they initially do? What triggered the escalation?

The consequences of partial bits of video published both on MSM and SM we’ve seen have led to both horrifying racist abuse (when you read U tube comments)

and as already said, “experts” and MP’s and some of the demonstrators jumping on their own bandwagons with partial information stirring hate against both he police and the family.

It’s quite possible bad decisions were made in the heat of the moment by various parties.

I’m very much against blame being laid on any “side” at this point (except of course for the proper actions already taken on the basis when there was clear criminal activity by the youths or the kicking) until we have as full a narrative as possible.

The appearance of mobile phones and the ability of anyone putting information out there which may or may not have been edited or clipped - I don’t like the consequences of this but don’t see what can be done about it

Mt61

Now watching the whole video, bbc only showed it from Asians point of view, looks like they deserved what they got!
Maybe the kick was overboard but deserved the tasering, they should have been detained

What's an "Asian" point of view? As far as I know, those men are British.

FWIW the men should be prosecuted and sentenced BUT the police officer was also in the wrong, even if there are mitigations.

What really concerns me is the way it's been politicised. The police are assaulted every single day by people of all sorts of ethnic backgrounds, so why highlight the ethnic background of these two? If course, it serves some people's agenda.

Yes well said tickingbird

Apparently I read on Facebook that the first video released had been doctored and when you look at the second video you realise that the first one doesn't add up.

He must have been acting on impulse and adrenaline. I feel desperately sorry for him and I hope he has plenty of support.

He could have been slightly concussed too (sorry - thst's speculation!)

I hope he isn't dismissed, will be put on other duties and sent on a retraining course in restraint techniques.

tickingbird

I will just say that I have no time for police brutality and do believe they should be held to account. However, what I find genuinely upsetting, not to say annoying is in light of the cctv footage, is the determination by some to continue to lay the blame with the police. The mental gymnastics performed in their attempts to exonerate two thugs and blame officers attempting to do their duty is extraordinary.

The male officer was punched hard in the face and head repeatedly, knocked to the ground, jumped on, punched in the head several more times, half choked and pulled to the ground. He still jumped up and yes, he kicked someone. He must have been acting on impulse and adrenaline. I feel desperately sorry for him and I hope he has plenty of support.

The chairman of the West Midlands Police Federation has described armchair critics as “clueless idiots”. Can’t argue with that.

Well said tickingbird

tickingbird 👍

I will just say that I have no time for police brutality and do believe they should be held to account. However, what I find genuinely upsetting, not to say annoying is in light of the cctv footage, is the determination by some to continue to lay the blame with the police. The mental gymnastics performed in their attempts to exonerate two thugs and blame officers attempting to do their duty is extraordinary.

The male officer was punched hard in the face and head repeatedly, knocked to the ground, jumped on, punched in the head several more times, half choked and pulled to the ground. He still jumped up and yes, he kicked someone. He must have been acting on impulse and adrenaline. I feel desperately sorry for him and I hope he has plenty of support.

The chairman of the West Midlands Police Federation has described armchair critics as “clueless idiots”. Can’t argue with that.

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