Starmer’s Speech 01/08/24

MaizieD

petra

I fully expect Starmer to get the blame for the financial tsunami coming down the line from the USA.
The last time it happened was 2008 when Labour was in power.
Never mind that it was Bill Clinton’s policies that started the ball rolling, in this country Labour still got the blame.

It's to be hoped that, if the 'tsunami' materialises, the current Labour government deals with it as effectively as did the Brown government in 2008.

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Another myth perpetuated by losers

MaizieDare you feeling better?
I think there’s no truth in politics makes much more sense but each to their own.

Wwm2 I have not referred to there is no uncontrolled mass migration so I don’t believe that I am contributing to street violence in this country.
I have referred to rising inequality which shows no signs of slowing down.

ronib

Wwm2 do you mean there is no truth in politics?

I think she means there is no truth in what you were saying.

petra

I fully expect Starmer to get the blame for the financial tsunami coming down the line from the USA.
The last time it happened was 2008 when Labour was in power.
Never mind that it was Bill Clinton’s policies that started the ball rolling, in this country Labour still got the blame.

It's to be hoped that, if the 'tsunami' materialises, the current Labour government deals with it as effectively as did the Brown government in 2008.

Wwm2 do you mean there is no truth in politics?

THERE IS NO UNCONTROLLED MASS IMMIGRATION.

To make such an assertion you must provide the evidence.

Statements like that are feeding into the VIOLENCE we are seeing in this country at present.

ronib

Wwm2 you make some interesting points on a site for older people. You will realise I hope that the current government has put its cards on the table and has given a very strong message that it is anti pensioners.
It is perfectly true that only 20 percent of voters voted in Labour btw.
Yes there’s most definitely growing inequality and it’s accelerating under this government.
Far right and populist opinion are not feeding insecurity but government policies and the way they are presented most certainly is.

No true.

I fully expect Starmer to get the blame for the financial tsunami coming down the line from the USA.
The last time it happened was 2008 when Labour was in power.
Never mind that it was Bill Clinton’s policies that started the ball rolling, in this country Labour still got the blame.

They’ve had less than a month in power!

Chocolatelover, I have never questioned the will of the people in the Election, but people were quite rightly let down by the last government. Since day one this one has changed their promises. I think people voted with hope for change, well the heating allowance has gone, so that's change, they hoped the boats would stop coming and people processed to see whether they can stay, no chance. It's going from bad to worse if that's possible. I was all for welcoming this governments but already Rachel has shown she doesn't care, especially for pensioners, even selling my house wouldn't pay for my care for more than 4 years, what then?

Amalegra

Many people, including myself, loathe the despicable violence which has broken out on our streets and view it as a symptom of the divided country we have become today, taken over by mindless vandals who use any excuse for a fight. However, uncontrolled mass immigration is viewed as unacceptable by large numbers of the public. The ability of the police to do their job ‘without fear or favour’ has been called into question. People do not feel safe or truly represented by successive governments. The present administration was elected by only 20% or so of the electorate and, despite their enormous majority (although winning fewer actual votes than at the last election when they lost!) hardly have a decisive mandate. We urgently need a national conversation about this but I doubt one will take place. Knee jerk cries of ‘racism’ and ‘Islamaphobia’ are directed at any who broach the subject. As for Starmer’s speech? Just what you’d expect from someone who was formerly a barrister; sympathetic, safe and balking at facing the real issues. I have very little faith in the man, or the rest of this government.

Well said Amalegra I totally agree with you. I also have no faith in Starmer or Cooper both out of their depth in my opinion.

We can’t survive economically without these people.
Likewise, isn't it a fact that we can't survive economically if the taxpayer has to continue to support their inactive lifestyle indefinitely? It just isn't viable or fair.
I accept these people have come here mostly for genuine reasons, I accept we actually do need them. After some kind of quick registration, I would give them 6 months to prove they can stand on their own two feet and support themselves, or back they go. And that includes any unacceptable behaviour too.

Wwm2 you make some interesting points on a site for older people. You will realise I hope that the current government has put its cards on the table and has given a very strong message that it is anti pensioners.
It is perfectly true that only 20 percent of voters voted in Labour btw.
Yes there’s most definitely growing inequality and it’s accelerating under this government.
Far right and populist opinion are not feeding insecurity but government policies and the way they are presented most certainly is.

biglouis

*uncontrolled mass immigration is viewed as unacceptable by large numbers of the public. The ability of the police to do their job ‘without fear or favour’ has been called into question. People do not feel safe or truly represented by successive governments. The present administration was elected by only 20% or so of the electorate and, despite their enormous majority (although winning fewer actual votes than at the last election when they lost!) hardly have a decisive mandate. We urgently need a national conversation about this but I doubt one will take place. Knee jerk cries of ‘racism’ and ‘Islamaphobia’ are directed at any who broach the subject*

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Most immigration isn't uncontrolled - I don't know how often that needs to be repeated. There's a reason for it and there would be heavy price without it.

It's not true that cries of racism and Islamophobia are directed to anyone who broaches the subject of immigration. However, it is true that there are elements with racist and Islamophobic views who hide behind that myth.

biglouis

*uncontrolled mass immigration is viewed as unacceptable by large numbers of the public. The ability of the police to do their job ‘without fear or favour’ has been called into question. People do not feel safe or truly represented by successive governments. The present administration was elected by only 20% or so of the electorate and, despite their enormous majority (although winning fewer actual votes than at the last election when they lost!) hardly have a decisive mandate. We urgently need a national conversation about this but I doubt one will take place. Knee jerk cries of ‘racism’ and ‘Islamaphobia’ are directed at any who broach the subject*

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Straight out of Reforms little red book.

All nonsense of course but pandering to the far right and its populism, which feeds on division.

That post represents a growing minority of the population, who have suffered the effects of the growing inequality in the U.K.

They know their lives are not fair or right, they thought Brexit would be the answer, but it wasn’t. Now they are being directed to blame the “immigrants” who in truth are people like themselves. Economically insecure and knowing that their position is worsening year on year.

It is this growing inequality that is the issue.

That is what needs addressing.

Not the propaganda put out by the far right.

uncontrolled mass immigration is viewed as unacceptable by large numbers of the public. The ability of the police to do their job ‘without fear or favour’ has been called into question. People do not feel safe or truly represented by successive governments. The present administration was elected by only 20% or so of the electorate and, despite their enormous majority (although winning fewer actual votes than at the last election when they lost!) hardly have a decisive mandate. We urgently need a national conversation about this but I doubt one will take place. Knee jerk cries of ‘racism’ and ‘Islamaphobia’ are directed at any who broach the subject

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There is no mass uncontrolled immigration. That is incorrect.

There is normal migration that happens and will continually happen in a modern economy which would fail to grow without it.

What has changed since Brexit is from where we draw these migrants. Before Brexit it was almost entirely from Europe, now it varies but the largest group are from Asia by far Africa next.

We can’t survive economically without these people.

There are approximately 80k asylum seekers pa claiming sanctuary. Some will be accepted others not.

Once the government has sorted out the chaos in the HO and employed and trained civil servants who will deal with these applications, the backlog will disappear, and we will get back to controlling the situation.

But make no mistake. Mass migration is inevitable given the geopolitical and climatic factors prevalent.

Jcar

Of course there is two tier policing. Whilst the actions of rent a mob cannot be condoned many ordinary decent people have had enough of the detrimental effect mass immigration has had on the fabric of this country. Something has to give.

Maybe you'd like to justify your "of course". That isn't a fact - it's your opinion.

Personally, I don't feel safe with thugs like we've seen over the last few days. I'd feel even less safe, if I had brown or black skin. It's ridiculous to suggest that looting from shops and destroying buildings and vehicles is an appropriate response to any concerns about immigration (most of which is legal and controlled) or the electoral system. There is no justification at all.

Many people, including myself, loathe the despicable violence which has broken out on our streets and view it as a symptom of the divided country we have become today, taken over by mindless vandals who use any excuse for a fight. However, uncontrolled mass immigration is viewed as unacceptable by large numbers of the public. The ability of the police to do their job ‘without fear or favour’ has been called into question. People do not feel safe or truly represented by successive governments. The present administration was elected by only 20% or so of the electorate and, despite their enormous majority (although winning fewer actual votes than at the last election when they lost!) hardly have a decisive mandate. We urgently need a national conversation about this but I doubt one will take place. Knee jerk cries of ‘racism’ and ‘Islamaphobia’ are directed at any who broach the subject. As for Starmer’s speech? Just what you’d expect from someone who was formerly a barrister; sympathetic, safe and balking at facing the real issues. I have very little faith in the man, or the rest of this government.

Very true. And I have no idea why people are blaming all the woes of the country on Keir Starmer, when he has been PM for less than a month, and the Tories have held power for the past fourteen years.

Allsorts

I don't think much of his speach. He is papering over cracks. He is not listening. There are thugs and yes they need dealing with, they are at the front throwing bricks and setting fires scaring everyone and hurting the peacemakers. Look beyond those people to the masses who feel threatened and ignored, and voices not listened too, the peaceful ones, he doesn't address them or care.

Who are these masses to whom you refer? Do you mean peaceful quiet racists as opposed to thug like racists?

Most people are concerned about the lack of sensible control re immigration, the loss of safe asylum routes, the constant delays in processing, the £££££M wasted on both the French and Rwanda, BUT we do not blame all the woes of this country, and there are many, on the “boat people”!

Nannashirlz

Yes he’s gotta say something he’s going on holiday today not my Pm the sooner labour out the better for me

He is NOT going on holiday today, and I’m sorry, but he is the PM, of all of us, whether you like it or not, he was elected using exactly the same system that kept Conservatives in power for 14 years.

I didn’t much care for ANY of the PMs we had to endure during this time, but I recognised that (some of them) were democratically elected.

Nannashirlz

Yes he’s gotta say something he’s going on holiday today not my Pm the sooner labour out the better for me

This is how innocent people end up at the hands of a mob. This is serious misinformation. Please correct it