The Riots Have Certainly Pushed Pensioners Off The Agenda

parameters not papareters

Harrow and North Finchley to be avoided Maddyone also don’t forget the underground might be carrying demonstrations to the protest spots. Hopefully you have a wonderful time.

National Action is a proscribed organisation

Gov.UK
National Action becomes first extreme right-wing group to be banned in UK
National Action has today become the first extreme right-wing group to be proscribed as a terrorist organisation. 2016.

Its interesting looking at the criteria for terrorism

"What is meant by ‘terrorism’ in the proscription context?
“Terrorism” as defined in the act, means the use or threat of action which: involves serious violence against a person; involves serious damage to property; endangers a person’s life (other than that of the person committing the act); creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or section of the public or is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.

The use or threat of such action must be designed to influence the government or an international governmental organisation or to intimidate the public or a section of the public, and must be undertaken for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause."

Seems to me the riots if they continue come under these papareters but in terms of proscription its hard to identify groups and leaders because far right groups have stopped officially forming formal groups, they operate on SN networks instead.

I’m sorry about your sister. Probably best for her to sit tight at home till it all calms down. As I said, I feel for people affected.

Thanks ronib but I’m going out shortly, up to London for an overnight stay. Afternoon tea at a nice hotel and theatre tonight. I’m just hoping we don’t come across any rioters in London. I’m interested in politics and current affairs but not over the top about it. The only time I can influence it is when I vote every 4/5 years, and even then it may not go my way. I deplore the riots, feel sorry for those affected, but have got to get on with my life.
I know you and your husband have been battling ill health which makes life more difficult. I wish you well.

maddyone it takes two minutes… but my sister is now too afraid to go out as an immigration centre is the centre of a demonstration!!

Babamaman

Totally agree with you and they haven’t even been buried yet! Sad times.
The scum rioting have no respect for anyone. Not the poor victims, their families, their community !
Where are the Reform politicians condemning their voters?
Very quiet? Why?

Oh so you are another one stating NF voters are all rioters? You are talking rubbish- NF farage is on the right, not far right- these violent thugs have probably never voted in their lives- they are pure scum giving the NF voters a bad name..
They are probably THE Old BNP lot, thick as two short planks- because they can’t scrap on the football,,they are using this as a total excuse to go out & fight. I am 100% sure NF DOES NOT CONDONE THIS VIOLENCE!

I’ve never heard of any of these organisations, what a sheltered life I must lead. Or perhaps I don’t spend my time on the internet scouring everything I can read to discover them.

OnwardandUpward

@Mt61 NF stands for Nigel Farage. and yes his supporters have been quiet.

I did not mention "Far Right", once. I think it's you putting the two together, not me. Feel free to continue talking about the WFA or whatever you like! No need to take offence where there is none.

No you may not have said far right but I think you are implying something along those lines by saying “ NF supporters are very quiet” as though we quietly agree on these violent thugs! Why comment?

ronib

growstuff

ronib Some of the rioters are far right and include known neo-Nazis from the former National Action and Turning Point UK.

growstuff don’t give the far right any publicity? The far right is in normal times allowed to demonstrate in a peaceful way. I shall google…..

National Action isn't.

ronib

Turning Point doesn’t seem to show any Nazi signs? Bit confused….

But it most certainly is a right wing group, Nazi signs or not.

Turning Point doesn’t seem to show any Nazi signs? Bit confused….

National Action has been banned in the Uk?

growstuff

ronib Some of the rioters are far right and include known neo-Nazis from the former National Action and Turning Point UK.

growstuff don’t give the far right any publicity? The far right is in normal times allowed to demonstrate in a peaceful way. I shall google…..

ronib

Dickens don’t agree - police numbers are about 150k but given the rise in population, it’s not kept to the same ratio as in 2010.
What can you mean by a government wedded to a small state? The number of civil servants is at an all time high. I don’t think there’s any chance of a small state Uk .
Also in what sense is blame attached? No Keir Starmer is not being blamed for the riots but maybe he hasn’t quite got the knack of how to deal with them? As you say he is the new boy on the block and has much to learn.

The increase in the number of civil servants is a direct result of Brexit and taking back responsibilities from Brussels.

growstuff I don’t know if there are sufficient police officers to protect the people today. There’s a real rash of mischief planned.

ronib Some of the rioters are far right and include known neo-Nazis from the former National Action and Turning Point UK.

The first stage is to punish the people involved and send out a message that this behaviour destroys the communities which the rioters claim to be defending and for all the many people who haven't been involved.

I don't really know what the army would be expected to do that police aren't doing.

Then, I agree, there needs to be some action on understanding why people are angry and have been so easily incited and to take action.

Yes MayBee70 I don’t think liaison is the right word here. Understand what is causing tension- isn’t this the role of government? Who is in charge?
Since riots seem to be spreading very quickly all over the Uk, something must be done to protect the public, police and property. The army must be put on standby. This is the role of government.

So the government need to liaise with the rioters to understand why they’re rioting but at the same time bring in the army?

MayBee70 it is not helping to brand rioters far right. Government needs to understand why this is happening and also why demos are being staged all over the country. It’s very contagious.
I am worried for serving police officers too.
I don’t know if the government has special laws to prevent demonstrations taking place? Unlawful assembly with the intent of causing damage to people and property needs to stop now. Bring in the army? Stop the rhetoric.

Bet you wish you hadn't posted Mae.

So, how do you think he should have dealt with them? Imo someone that has spent most of his professional life dealing with criminality and working closely with the police is the perfect person to be dealing with the current situation. Who do you think would have done a better job?

Dickens don’t agree - police numbers are about 150k but given the rise in population, it’s not kept to the same ratio as in 2010.
What can you mean by a government wedded to a small state? The number of civil servants is at an all time high. I don’t think there’s any chance of a small state Uk .
Also in what sense is blame attached? No Keir Starmer is not being blamed for the riots but maybe he hasn’t quite got the knack of how to deal with them? As you say he is the new boy on the block and has much to learn.

Iam64

The current government has been in power 4 weeks. It inherited an almighty mess with our nhs, police, CJS and public services on their knees.
But let’s blame the current, not the previous government for this mess.

Yes, considering we've had austerity, cuts and more cuts to public services, privatisation here there and everywhere, the NHS virtually on its knees, cuts to police numbers, by a government wedded to small-state...

.. of course, it makes sense to blame the new government who've only been in power for a month for the current problems.

Strewth!