The Riots Have Certainly Pushed Pensioners Off The Agenda

@Mt61 NF stands for Nigel Farage. and yes his supporters have been quiet.

I did not mention "Far Right", once. I think it's you putting the two together, not me. Feel free to continue talking about the WFA or whatever you like! No need to take offence where there is none.

MayBee70

Labour didn’t give in to strikes. They negotiated with health workers that the Conservatives weren’t negotiating with. What happened to all the adoration for our health workers during covid. Why do you assume the WFP is going to pay for homes for ‘illegals’. We need more housing and social housing for everyone. Maybe Truss’s budget has got something to do with it. Can someone remind me how much that cost the country?? Do people have such short memories. Not only that but Labour are going to have to pay compensation to the post masters and people that were given infected blood; both cans that the Conservatives kicked down the road realising that they were going to lose the election.

It's a success story for Labour that they tackled and resolved the Junior doctors issue, should be celebrated.

There are so many things we need the WFP money for - just in relationship to us older people!

OnwardandUpward

Yes the NF supporters are VERY QUIET and not commenting on this for some reason.

I voted Reform & commented on the thugs on a different thread. I take great offence at being called far right- this thread is about the pensioners is it not? Not getting the WFA?

Is it Labour’s fault that the Conservatives have let our prisons get into the state they are now in? Is that something else that they have miraculously achieved over the past few weeks?

Great!
Yvette Cooper is creating more prison spaces for the rioters. Is that by releasing even more prisoners early or has she actually found spaces?

Labour didn’t give in to strikes. They negotiated with health workers that the Conservatives weren’t negotiating with. What happened to all the adoration for our health workers during covid. Why do you assume the WFP is going to pay for homes for ‘illegals’. We need more housing and social housing for everyone. Maybe Truss’s budget has got something to do with it. Can someone remind me how much that cost the country?? Do people have such short memories. Not only that but Labour are going to have to pay compensation to the post masters and people that were given infected blood; both cans that the Conservatives kicked down the road realising that they were going to lose the election.

I didn't vote Labour even though I was brought up in a full on labour (Irish) family. I used to vote conservative but voted liberal for the first time. Only because I didn't like what Sunack stood for. But omg Labour have upset so many already..I'm not happy about losing my winter fuel. But I really don't want it to be used to provide homes for illegals I was married to a north African for 16 years he came he legally on a work permit and worked and paid never took handouts. Labour has failed already giving in to strikes.. I have less trust in Starmer now than I had in Sumack!

"It has been said that the rioters travel from place to place"

Well they can't have meaningful employment then. Yet have got money to travel.... Hmmm. Cash in hand "rent a mob"?

The current government has been in power 4 weeks. It inherited an almighty mess with our nhs, police, CJS and public services on their knees.
But let’s blame the current, not the previous government for this mess.

It has been said that the rioters travel from place to place. SM enables people to communicate their plans and it seems as if rent-a-mob just goes along to contribute.

For real? You actually believe that anyone in their right mind would use innocent deaths of children and mindless rioting to detract from labour only having been in power for a matter of weeks and trying to clear up after the previous government!

The focus on the grieving families in Southport has been removed by the rioters. No one else has done this, just them.

Starmer is responding to the riots - but it is the rioters themselves, most of whom it would seem are not even from that area - who have used a horrific tragedy as an excuse to riot.

Put the blame where it lies.

Iam64

Littlejohn is by no means an independent voice here

Quite!

undines

Doesn't ANYONE think there could be a hidden agenda here???
The riots are very convenient for turning everyone's attention away from everything except, well, the riots, and thinking about ways to stop them.
Which will lead to more government control, censorship (which we have already, in spades) and generally much less attention to all the things that worry so many people, such as warmth, housing, food on the table... Call this a Labour government? Wake up! Michael Foot would turn in his grave.

Yes that'll be it. Parts of the UK burn to divert attention from naughty Labout taking away help with heating costs.

Indeed a convenient,diversion. Unless you happen to be getting your head kicked in or you are part of the police force.

BevSec

Richard Littlejohn has written an excellent piece today about how Labour are taking the opportunity of the riots to keep blaming “the far right” which is taking the focus off the grieving families. Despicable.

It's not the government who are despicable.

It is the rioters who are aiming bricks at police and anyone else they don't like, looting and setting fire to cars and buildings. That's despicable.

So if we are not to blame the far-right - who are we to blame for encouraging these 'protests'? The 'far-lef'? Immigrants? Pensioners? Who?

Terrible times! I suspect it will not only be pensioners in the "Warm spaces", this winter.

Find your nearest one here www.warmwelcome.uk/find-a-space

Even if it gives more pensioners a better winter it will have achieved something.

Great suffering caused in the areas where normal policing has been put on hold in order to contain rioting, given how much we need them. Call 999 for help and...

Wyllow3

Yes, that occurred MissA. No way round it, always a compromise.

Well, I'd hope people will carry on the fight, even if the limit no longer affects them.

I doubt it though, somehow.

Ellylanes1

Perhaps if everyday policing hadn't disappeared, had not been cut to the bone, antisocial behaviour wasn't an ever-growing problem. Criminals blatantly sticking the preverbial finger up at society as there is very little deterrent we may not be in such an awful situation.
Peaceful protest isn't really possible because of the immediate joining in of these idiots who see it as an excuse to riot.
Looting vape shops??? Says it all.

I agree (wish GN had a like button)

Yes, that occurred MissA. No way round it, always a compromise.

There will be people on the edge of any new arrangements made though.
It is always going to be so.
People who are just above the limit.

What will people do about that?

AGAA4

By the next budget I am hoping that Rachel Reeves will have had second thoughts and will raise the threshold for pension credit so more can claim and get WFP too.
Just a hope 🙏

That's what I'm pushing for very hard with our local LP MP, AGAA4.

And yes, as MaggsMcG said there are peaceful ways to get views heard.

I'm frustrated with the 3 petitions are they are "all or nothing" cancel or keep but mass emails might be heard. I wish there was a "middle way" one.

[email protected]

There are a number of issues that are getting pushed back although most won't be addressed until parliament resits always the case in the summer.

Would you want to get caught up in the current riots in order to make your point, though?

By the next budget I am hoping that Rachel Reeves will have had second thoughts and will raise the threshold for pension credit so more can claim and get WFP too.
Just a hope 🙏