The Riots Have Certainly Pushed Pensioners Off The Agenda

Amalegra

The Bibby Stockholm mentioned here was originally used to house ‘ordinary’ workers. It was good enough for those people so I’ve never understood the fuss about it Obviously a luxury cruise ship it’s not.

Ah the old " it was good enough for them" chestnut.

I suppose if you are a person with fairly robust mental and physical health, who is well aware of your rights and fluent in English, some basic accomodation ( whilst you earn top dollar) is just about tolerable.

Well said, Dickens (yesterday at 12.52 and today at 10.48)!

Sarcasm hey?😄
They weren’t all complaining btw it was more the people in Weymouth complaining cos they didn’t want it there.

Oreo

I will bow to your superior knowledge on the issue. Although I have read different reports regarding the overcrowding matter, but have not read extensively.

I'm sure they are all just being ungrateful and unreasonable.

No, it wasn’t overcrowded.

Cossy

Amalegra

The Bibby Stockholm mentioned here was originally used to house ‘ordinary’ workers. It was good enough for those people so I’ve never understood the fuss about it Obviously a luxury cruise ship it’s not.

I’m guessing the workers all had a common goal, knew where they would be staying and possibly didn’t share a room with a stranger?

They also would have been off the ship at least 5 days a week and at work.

The ship had more recreational spaces than any hotel and the asylum seekers were quite free to come and go.
It was an expensive waste of a good idea not to use it properly.

Amalegra

The Bibby Stockholm mentioned here was originally used to house ‘ordinary’ workers. It was good enough for those people so I’ve never understood the fuss about it Obviously a luxury cruise ship it’s not.

I think, but am not sure, that the issue was overcrowding.

I understand asylum seekers are supposed to be grateful for whatever they are given by us, but human nature is such that if you put people together in close quarters, with very little to do, and more importantly, without any idea of how long they are going to be cooped up - weeks, months, even years - then overcrowding will become a problem because whatever your view on asylum seekers / illegals / whatever you want to call them, they are still human.

The 'ordinary' workers were housed there for a definite period - they knew when their work period would end and, equally important - they were out working during the day (or night, whatever)... they were occupied. And they were free to go where they liked when they liked. Most people can put up with basic accommodation under those conditions.

And it's not 'bleeding-heart' leftie nonsense (just in case) to acknowledge basic human psychology.

Amalegra

The Bibby Stockholm mentioned here was originally used to house ‘ordinary’ workers. It was good enough for those people so I’ve never understood the fuss about it Obviously a luxury cruise ship it’s not.

I’m guessing the workers all had a common goal, knew where they would be staying and possibly didn’t share a room with a stranger?

They also would have been off the ship at least 5 days a week and at work.

The Bibby Stockholm mentioned here was originally used to house ‘ordinary’ workers. It was good enough for those people so I’ve never understood the fuss about it Obviously a luxury cruise ship it’s not.

Chocolatelovinggran

I'd quite like my country back from Lee Anderson.

😉😉

Thank you Dickens - great post

I’d like my country back from thugs who are encouraged by the likes of Farage and Anderson

Jaxjacky

Absolutely Dickens and yes Maybee it was three days ago.

Thanks. I wasn’t sure if it was a recent thing. The nurses had to be protected didn’t they?

Absolutely Dickens and yes Maybee it was three days ago.

Dickens

Extremely well put and I agree 100%

ronib

Harrow and North Finchley to be avoided Maddyone also don’t forget the underground might be carrying demonstrations to the protest spots. Hopefully you have a wonderful time.

Yes, have a fab time

Chocolatelovinggran

I'd quite like my country back from Lee Anderson.

Didn’t he post a picture of a hotel that he thought was housing immigrants when, in fact, it was nurses? Not sure how recent that was. Horrible man.

I'd quite like my country back from Lee Anderson.

quitting you Dickens

"Lee Anderson, the new-boy on the Reform block, has made a plea - I want my country back in justification for his claim that Islamists had "got control" of Sadiq Khan and of London. He said that the Mayor had "given our capital away to Islamists":

I don’t actually believe that the Islamists have got control of our country, but what I do believe is they’ve got control of Khan and they’ve got control of London… He’s actually given our capital city away to his mates"

This is inflaming race hatred and Reform could be acting far, far, more effectively with their supporters in helping to quell the riots. Just bleating "we deplore them", but adding "we are headed for more".....oil on flames.

Mt61

Babamaman

Totally agree with you and they haven’t even been buried yet! Sad times.
The scum rioting have no respect for anyone. Not the poor victims, their families, their community !
Where are the Reform politicians condemning their voters?
Very quiet? Why?

Oh so you are another one stating NF voters are all rioters? You are talking rubbish- NF farage is on the right, not far right- these violent thugs have probably never voted in their lives- they are pure scum giving the NF voters a bad name..
They are probably THE Old BNP lot, thick as two short planks- because they can’t scrap on the football,,they are using this as a total excuse to go out & fight. I am 100% sure NF DOES NOT CONDONE THIS VIOLENCE!

I am 100% sure NF DOES NOT CONDONE THIS VIOLENCE!

Nigel Farage has done little other than insidiously question the police's handling of the attack on the children in Southport by suggesting they were withholding the truth about the identity of the perpetrator.

You don't need a degree in psychology to understand how that plays into the hands of individuals who believe that the nation's problems are all caused by immigrants arriving on small boats. And I'm putting that politely.

He has been photographed sitting on the Essex coastline with binoculars scanning the sea for small boats; he has claimed that those arriving on the boats are all given a new iPhone within 24 hours of arrival. A 'fact' that is not substantiated - most of the iPhones that are handed out - and not all migrants receive them - are from charities where they've been donated, and are certainly not "new". During the pandemic immigration staff were unable to interview immigrants face to face and iPhones were handed out as a temporary measure until restrictions were lifted.

Reform UK were asked by Full Fact to give a source for their claim. They never responded.

Lee Anderson, the new-boy on the Reform block, has made a plea - I want my country back in justification for his claim that Islamists had "got control" of Sadiq Khan and of London. He said that the Mayor had "given our capital away to Islamists":

I don’t actually believe that the Islamists have got control of our country, but what I do believe is they’ve got control of Khan and they’ve got control of London… He’s actually given our capital city away to his mates

Do you genuinely believe that this kind of rhetoric has not helped to fuel the riots and inflame the rioters? Or that both Farage and Anderson are unaware of the effect their narrative has had on those taking part in these anti-immigrant / anti-police riots?

I haven't caught up with the news - has Nigel Farage condemned - even belatedly - the rioters?

I'd pose one more question to you. If the migrants were to quite suddenly be stopped - stopped arriving on our shores - do you think that money would then be spent on the homeless, ex-servicemen, the disabled, the sick, the impoverished living in B&Bs with their families, the NHS, social-care, mental-health services, the police, hospitals, child day-care, housing, education, crumbling schools, you-name-it?

Do you think the last government which believed in the free market and the small-state - which cut public spending to the bone because of this ideology - would equally suddenly have a change of political ideology and fund all the above?

Think about it. Migrants arriving on small boats - not just here but in the rest of Europe - is a problem, and one that has to be addressed - but it is not the cause of the impoverishment of the nation. Think about that extra £millions per week that could've been spent on the NHS - that Brexit carrot that was intended to persuade people that a right-wing government committed to disbanding public services and selling them off would actually spend money on funding them.

Read Reform's manifesto. Listen to Farage when he's commenting on matters other than immigration. In 2014 Farage was caught on camera telling Ukip supporters that the state-funded NHS should move towards an insurance-based system run by private companies. In other words, privatised. Some of his constituents in Clacton can hardly afford to pay their rent or bills - where do you think they will find the money for Farage's - the-man-of-the-people who speaks for the silent majority - private health insurance?

Our problems were not caused by being a member of the EU nor were they caused by immigrants. They are logically, inevitably and naturally the result of a government's ideology of free-market libertarianism and small-state economy. It's as simple as that.

I guess it's simply a matter of levels of interest for each GN individual in terms of "whats's behind" this or that political or social event or chain of events.

I certainly dont linger on the rants and hatred on some SM pages, it's enough to see what's there. It's horrible.

But you can also pick up on the good things - like the community in Southport coming together after the riots to clean up, which is heartening.

Oreo

maddyone

I’ve never heard of any of these organisations, what a sheltered life I must lead. Or perhaps I don’t spend my time on the internet scouring everything I can read to discover them.

Same here😄

Every day's a school day on Gransnet, everyone! 😃

Well done GNet for widening our horizons? Or not? Oreo

maddyone

I’ve never heard of any of these organisations, what a sheltered life I must lead. Or perhaps I don’t spend my time on the internet scouring everything I can read to discover them.

Same here😄

I 'm waiting for euthanasia centres to be opened .
Shades of Soyent Green .
Is dystopia a reality ?
A minor thing but I have to return a purchase this week .
I can't .
I've been advised not to as the area is do dangerous due to pototential riots .
The world ,that we live in has become
unpleasant on a daily basis and now dangerous .

Demonstrators I meant