False information and incitement on SM and prosecuting the perpetrators

JaneJudge

What has attacking mosques and setting fire to shoe shops got to do with illegal immigration?

I am guessing that people are angry.

A bit like, if a person is angry, they lash out.
So a bad day at the office can result in a wife beating, type thing.

Sure there are much better examples than that, but best I can think of for now.

Kandinsky

1000’s of illegals arriving by small boats every year ( & have been for decades ) & absolutely nothing - repeat nothing - being done about it is a fact.
Social media is not making that up!

That’s what these riots are about.

“Illegals” Really!

"But I do think it’s a bit odd, if you’re living in the UK, to be C&P’ing articles from the guardian at 3’ O’clock in the morning".
Obviously you have never been or lived with a shift worker, an insomniac, or a person with RLS

BevSec

Growstuff, I have, as yet, only just started the book, but so far his writing has seemed very moderate, balanced and dispassionate to me. Its better really to have more of an open mind by being able to see different sides to a debate than just your own point of view. It makes for more toleration of others in my opinion.

Which is precisely why I do read what he writes and I find him unbalanced.

Growstuff, I have, as yet, only just started the book, but so far his writing has seemed very moderate, balanced and dispassionate to me. Its better really to have more of an open mind by being able to see different sides to a debate than just your own point of view. It makes for more toleration of others in my opinion.

What has attacking mosques and setting fire to shoe shops got to do with illegal immigration?

Mt61

I haven’t read on here, that anyone has called a person for the colour of their skin, or persuaded anyone to go out & riot- unless posts have been taken down before I have had chance to read them.
I have a had a few post taken down, a couple I’ve had removed because I’ve posted too soon (but looks like it’s been removed for some other reason). There is nothing wrong in having a healthy debate about what’s a fact- too much illegal migration, simply because we haven’t the infrastructure- nothing wrong in saying that whatsoever. You will find thousands of mums, dads, grandparents & younger generation have voted for Reform, if the voting system had have been different/ fairer Reform would have had more seats. It’s not a crime to vote Reform. I bet 99% of these voters are horrified by the mindset of these thugs, who certainly should be imprisoned. Reform is certainly not a far right group, in my mind more like the Tories of old- if they don’t come up to parr, then I won’t be voting for them next time round- but I definitely will never vote Labour

Labour ever again

I haven’t read on here, that anyone has called a person for the colour of their skin, or persuaded anyone to go out & riot- unless posts have been taken down before I have had chance to read them.
I have a had a few post taken down, a couple I’ve had removed because I’ve posted too soon (but looks like it’s been removed for some other reason). There is nothing wrong in having a healthy debate about what’s a fact- too much illegal migration, simply because we haven’t the infrastructure- nothing wrong in saying that whatsoever. You will find thousands of mums, dads, grandparents & younger generation have voted for Reform, if the voting system had have been different/ fairer Reform would have had more seats. It’s not a crime to vote Reform. I bet 99% of these voters are horrified by the mindset of these thugs, who certainly should be imprisoned. Reform is certainly not a far right group, in my mind more like the Tories of old- if they don’t come up to parr, then I won’t be voting for them next time round- but I definitely will never vote Labour

Kandinsky

And just saw that - crikey, who posts on GN at 3’ o’clock in the morning?

What a narrow world is yours if you aren't aware of the number of people awake when you are sleeping. Daily life covers 24 hours not set to daylight hours.
Of course it may be the need for medication, insomnia, caring duties so exercise empathy rather than criticism.
Then there are a myriad of night workers.
Or simply, like me on occasion, a very early riser.

BevSec

Also reading a book called Values Voice and Virtues by Matthew Goodwin. It is a dispassionate and balanced book about how mass immigration is changing our culture. Worth a read whatever your point of view.

Having read his opinions, I doubt very much whether anything Matt Goodwin writes is balanced.

* BevSec*
Thank you for your posts.

If you can count on anything it would be that Richard Littlejohn would have an opinion on all this.

Also reading a book called Values Voice and Virtues by Matthew Goodwin. It is a dispassionate and balanced book about how mass immigration is changing our culture. Worth a read whatever your point of view.

Kandinsky

Time of posting was seen as a big red flag during the Brexit debates on mumsnet - anyone posting pro brexit posts in the early hours of the morning was called a Russian Bot. I didn’t agree tbh but that’s what was happening.
But I do think it’s a bit odd, if you’re living in the UK, to be C&P’ing articles from the guardian at 3’ O’clock in the morning.

I’m a nocturnal person, often reading or listening to podcasts etc in the early hours of the morning. So I suppose that makes me odd, too. Do you have a problem with that? Should I make an effort to be normal like you?

Very good article by Richard Littlejohn in the Daily Mail this morning. Labour are blaming everything on “the far right”. He thinks exactly as I do on so many issues but can express them far, far better than .i can. Worth a read if only for a more balanced point of view.

I don't believe WW2 is a Russian bot in the same vein I don't believe you are Russian painter Kandinsky

Oh for goodness sake why the bitchiness .?

Some of the posters on here sound like 14/15 year olds in the playground.Not a good look .

Whitewavemark2

fancythat

I dont think I have been on the threads.
And barely read any posts about it either.

But I do think that when a"problem"[whatever it is] is seen by many to have a big impact, and the powers that be, and others, seek to continually stamp on and stamp out those opinions, then there becomes an even bigger "problem".
No matter what type of thing it is about.

Sweeping, what is seen by some as something major, continually under the carpet, [like in real life if someone has a problem], really doesnt work.
And can backfire. Big time.

As the Labour government is finding to the countries cost after 14 years of the Tories sweeping things under the carpet in the form of major economic mismanagement, small state mentality, incompetence snd corruption.

Will a Labour Government "fix" this particular case, the national unease of a significant number of people?

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To return to the O/P, I to have been wondering about what we can do about the tide of hatred and violence

"I think prosecutors will want to have a strategy to identify people who may have been involved in inciting and encouraging these events, and they will want to arrest them and build cases against them. These are, in one sense, the most important people"

I hope we can do this.

maddyone

Oh not another thread, all about the same thing, but worded differently. I haven’t read the thread, and I’m not going to. I’m about as sick of these constant threads arguing the same thing in slightly different ways as I am of, oh I don’t know. Thank goodness I’m going out today and for the next couple of days and not relying on GN for a bit of entertainment.
Overkill in my opinion. Admittedly that’s just my opinion.

Mine too.
After working a nightshift and having breakfast am off for a sleep in a few minutes zzzzz

Cossy this constant reference to ‘those who condone the riots and attacks on mosques needing to give their heads a wobble’ is entirely in your imagination when applied to the posters on this forum, there are literally no comments like that at all.
This thread won’t end well while there are imaginary scenarios being trotted out and applied erroneously to other posters, or also if a poster decides to be a self appointed moderator which shuts down all opposing thoughts.

Appreciate the O/P.

Oh not another thread, all about the same thing, but worded differently. I haven’t read the thread, and I’m not going to. I’m about as sick of these constant threads arguing the same thing in slightly different ways as I am of, oh I don’t know. Thank goodness I’m going out today and for the next couple of days and not relying on GN for a bit of entertainment.
Overkill in my opinion. Admittedly that’s just my opinion.

I am not sleeping very well because of the weather either. It is so humid. Still at least I'm not out and about smashing up my local town centre with my top off, setting fire to bins and being a racist asshole.