False information and incitement on SM and prosecuting the perpetrators

Labelling everybody belonging to a particular ethnic/religious group because of the actions of an extreme minority is racism.

As Oreo said.

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What about Fundamentalism. I don't believe you can hold Jews or Catholics to 'Twin Tower' atrocities; the Manchester Arena bombing etc

Boz what have asylum seekers (including children) in a hotel, Asian shopkeepers, innocent Asian families in their own homes got to do with the Twin Towers and Manchester Arena atrocities?

I really want you to tell me.

Why on earth was my post deleted?

Because I reported you for spreading false information - ironically on a thread about the dangers of it!

Your post was extremely offensive to me, making wild baseless accusations.

Fleurpepper I’m just wondering the same thing!

I read Fleurpepper’s post and didn’t find it offensive in any way.

Certainly no more than several other highly offensive posts on GN at the moment. I’m not reporting any of those offensive posts. I believe they should stand for all to read so we can see what sort of people are posting on GN.

I’m shocked that Fleurpepper’s post was deleted

Why on earth was my post deleted?

growstuff

I don't pretend to understand racial hatred at all.

Neither do I, or, imo, any “normal” decent human being.

Many of these Yobs, that’s what they are, have probably never even spoken to a Muslim.

Sarnia

Prison sentences for the 3 idiots appearing in court today in answer to riot charges. I hope the certainty of a spell in prison and a criminal record may deter those who would lose jobs due to their behaviour and the drastic knock on effect that can have on a family. The die-hard ones will see incarceration as some sort of martyrdom but I hope it makes a number of them weigh up the pros and cons.

Good news. 🥳

No one denies that. The response has been totally disporportionate. And the treatment of Palestinians has been cruel, violent and murderous since the Nacbah.

What about fundamentalism? You do realise that Muslims come in as many guises than Christians. Do you believe that all Christians should be punished with violent riots if one man of Christian background or birth, commits a hateful crime (so many mass shootings in the recent past for instance)- all Christians or those born Christian - should be attacked and punished. Or all Jews for that matter, because of what Netanyahu is currently doing 'in their name'?

Prison sentences for the 3 idiots appearing in court today in answer to riot charges. I hope the certainty of a spell in prison and a criminal record may deter those who would lose jobs due to their behaviour and the drastic knock on effect that can have on a family. The die-hard ones will see incarceration as some sort of martyrdom but I hope it makes a number of them weigh up the pros and cons.

And what started that War; an Act of Terrorism.

Above video: Jonathan Miller and Enoch Powell!

Some have never got over the 'rivers of blood' speech and incitment to fear leading to hatred

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Oh my Boz - have you been watching what has been happening in Gaza recently???

What about Fundamentalism. I don't believe you can hold Jews or Catholics to 'Twin Tower' atrocities; the Manchester Arena bombing etc..

Whitewavemark2

terribull Islamaphobia is not formalised in British law.

Anti-semitism is.

We should afford them the same courtesy.

Of course. Makes no sense otherwise.

In Islam, if you are born Muslim, you remain a Muslim forever, whatever choices you make later. Same for Jews, and many other denominations. Once a Catholic, always a Catholic. And certainly true of jehovah Witnesses, and others.

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I think you are wrong Orro - I think the home office would not do that without formally having an "amnesty-type" period.

I know this already thanks greyisnotmycolour and would bet so does everyone on this site.
I simply don’t believe tho that 80% of asylum claims are genuine, not at all! What I do believe is that the Home Office is so inept and slow that it passes those as genuine to get the immense backlog sorted.
If done properly, if Starmer can galvanise that dept I will be very interested to see the true numbers.

If you are going to argue about illegal immigration at least get the facts and terminology right. Migrants arriving by boat are not illegal immigrants. They are asylum seekers until their claims are processed and a decision is made as to whether or not their claim is valid. If their asylum claim is not approved they are deported. Approximately 80 % of asylum claims are genuine.

I don’t know about six to a room, unless it’s a family situation.
Of course it’s not luxury hotels, but a hotel nevertheless.
Some younger people, mainly men but not always, exist without a home at all, on the streets or sofa surfing where they can.An underclass all but forgotten.
I do think locals came out to see what’s happening and then either joined in or didn’t and watched from the sidelines.
They didn’t all bus themselves in.

Oreo

Daddima

I was very disappointed yesterday to see someone I know ( and from whom I would have expected better) posting a screenshot of the amount of money refugees can get from the government ( £49 per week), and saying it is shocking, look after ‘our own’ first etc, and many others ‘liking’ the post. Then a couple of ‘ you can’t blame people for rioting’. That was what I found shocking.

I also wish the media would stop referring to riots ‘ all over the UK’, as I’m sure there have been none in Scotland. Mind you, I wouldn’t put it past the ones responsible for expanding their efforts.

You can blame people for rioting but it’s also best to realise the difference between the real far right who are organising and whipping up hatred and those locals who turn up to see what’s going on.Teenagers find it exciting and follow the lead of adults and many of the young men taking part are disaffected, of no fixed abode and hopeless with maybe awful lives up to this point with no home or happy family.Many in prison are much the same.Having a pop at authority and joining in with others gives them a buzz, and they see that the asylum seekers are given hotels to live in.Riots are always wrong and the perpetrators will have to face sentences rightly but things are never as simple as they seem IMO.

Oreo, I very much doubt that the young locals just turned up ‘to see what was going on’, nor was there any sign, in the footage which I saw anyway, of what these people were protesting against, just as much damage as possible being done.
I heard a fellow on LBC who had driven from Essex to Middlesborough to protest against the ‘ blacks and Asians’.
However, I do agree that a lot of these youths were disaffected, and love having a pop at authority, but you only have to listen to them being interviewed to see that they really don’t know what it’s about.
You say that they see that asylum seekers are given hotels to live in, but my understanding is that hotels have been taken over to house the immigrants, four or six to a room, and being fed the equivalent of a school dinner, not in five star luxury, getting room service and cocktails from the bar! This is how the situation is portrayed on social media, complete with Photoshopped pictures, and that’s what a lot of people take as gospel.

It’s not entirely about Islamophobia although much of it is. It’s also about not wanting more and more people of any race to be allowed into this country. We are an overcrowded country with stretched resources. I for one agree enough is enough. But the riots are not the way to sort it out.

Oreo

growstuff

Oreo

growstuff
Younger members of Muslim families often describe themselves so, they have to fit in with their families and communities but actually aren’t practising Muslims at all.
A better description if needed is Arab/ Asian/ Indian and so on.

Lizziedrip yeah, I think you’re right in that those rioting aren’t interested in if immigrants are practising Muslims or Christians or anything else.

I'll tell my son-in-law how some random person on a social media site called GN thinks he should describe himself.

Why so aggressive?
He can call himself what he likes but if he isn’t religious and not a practising Muslim then he isn’t actually Muslim.
Just as anyone calling themselves a Christian must believe in their own faith.Islam is a faith.
I am only as random as yourself btw😁

Well, he thinks he describes himself as Muslim, so who am I to say otherwise?

Once this government doest its best to minimise the numbers and deals with them a lot faster when they arrive, this will go a long way to mollifying people here.This includes those who were immigrants themselves but came here legally.