Social Media - aiding and abetting

Well responded grandmabatty

Sazz stop pretending to be just asking a question. It's disingenuous and falsely naïve. And it does go off topic. Start your own thread

Slightly off topic but can anyone enlighten me as to why the boat people don't want to stay in France. As far as I know France has a good health care system and great pensions, similar climate to us etc.

It just might make people think though. If you want to have a job with people/children or a visa for some countries, this will show as a criminal record. Someone I know
who got involved as a young student and was arrested charged and convicted years ago now has this problem and bitterly regrets a moment of madness ( non violent)

eazybee

There is an interesting article on the BBC news website at present about the news website Channel3Now, accused of fuelling the riots by giving false information about the killer of the three girls.

Yes, it actually names the individuals behind it, who are doing it for profit (!!)from this who lodge postson it and it would appear are totally careless about content until its challenged.

Perhaps they are the sort of group where there is a case for banning.

eazybee

There is an interesting article on the BBC news website at present about the news website Channel3Now, accused of fuelling the riots by giving false information about the killer of the three girls.

Yes emanating possibly from USA

There is an interesting article on the BBC news website at present about the news website Channel3Now, accused of fuelling the riots by giving false information about the killer of the three girls.

I echo your welcome of the Labour councillors arrest.

Galaxy

Archives of threats from trans right activists. You know 'die in a fire terfs', or 'decapitate terfs', any woman involved in the debate has them. A number of feminists started to collate them as evidence of the aggression.
It depends what they mean by control of social media, some of the cries in the past few days were to shut down X, strangely enough I don't agree with that. So any further controls of social media I would be very wary of, mainly because it doesnt work and usually has the opposite effect than was intended.

X won’t be shut down, and unless the archives are used to incite racism or violence, why should they be under threat?

I think that you are panicking unnecessarily.

What we need is control of the influencers, not control of the influenced.

Oh and I try to always be fair, and am a Labour supporter, so very important to give credit where it is due they have not only suspended the Labour councillor who suggested cutting the throats of racists, he has been arrested for I think incitement to murder. That is a really clear example of fairness, if I can use that word on such an awful topic.

Archives of threats from trans right activists. You know 'die in a fire terfs', or 'decapitate terfs', any woman involved in the debate has them. A number of feminists started to collate them as evidence of the aggression.
It depends what they mean by control of social media, some of the cries in the past few days were to shut down X, strangely enough I don't agree with that. So any further controls of social media I would be very wary of, mainly because it doesnt work and usually has the opposite effect than was intended.

Galaxy

I think if labour are foolish enough to start further controls on social media then we would just have to use whatever mechanism they introduce. Women have kept detailed archives of the violent threats so we just consistently report all those accounts. We just use whatever new laws they introduce in the same way we used the law to win the protected belief cases.

As usual sorry to be dim, but I need what you say to be explained.

Is it foolish to try to control incitement? I would have thought it was compulsory?

Archives of violent threats - ?

Last sentence complete mystery.

Sorry to be a pain

Well I wish Facebook would do something about people that are posting Tommy Robinson videos on their pages. If I report them they just say there’s nothing wrong with them and just advise me to block the poster.

I think if labour are foolish enough to start further controls on social media then we would just have to use whatever mechanism they introduce. Women have kept detailed archives of the violent threats so we just consistently report all those accounts. We just use whatever new laws they introduce in the same way we used the law to win the protected belief cases.

Why would you think that?

I think for you to make the assertion that the hard left are equally influential, inciting racism and riots you really ought to provide evidence.

I have no evidence - I do have evidence of left wing writing which could be called influential I guess but nothing similar to the names I’ve listed.

I don't think they are left wing, though. Misogynist, yes, but I really don't see the trans 'debate' as being about left and right.

Whitewavemark2

Chestnut

Wheniwasyourage

Chestnut

Can we have a list of hard left influencers as well?

If you worry about them, why don’t you do the work and list them? Whitewavemark2 has done it for those which most worry her (and me).

The hard left should be just as worrying as the hard right. Both are dangerous, although what defines 'hard' might be a matter of opinion either way.

Do you have a list?

I’d be interested in seeing it and their activities.

I’m a bit stuck for the way they are using SM to incite riots etc though.

I don't have any lists, I thought you were the list maker and record keeper of all things political.

The hard left may not incite riots but they do damage society. What about those who 'cancel' people like JK Rowling and others for stating what a woman is. There have been many instances of people backtracking on something they said for fear of being labelled transphobic, homophobic, etc. and shunned by society. Only the brave will argue with them. Even Starmer daren't say what a woman is. They infiltrate universities and spread all kinds of toxic beliefs.

petra

Wyllow3

Groups to the far left have been routinely monitored by Secret services for decades.

Harold Wilson was on the list in the 60s.

Yes......as were anti Vietnam war protesters. CND, Civil rights activists....

Yes, in the 60's there was still the backdraft in the UK of the USA legacy of J Edgar Hoover's FBI labelling anything remotely left as "communist"

petra

Wyllow3

Groups to the far left have been routinely monitored by Secret services for decades.

Harold Wilson was on the list in the 60s.

Oh yes that famous hard left activist.

Any incitement to riot should be dealt with in the same way whatever political shade.

But the sheer weight of not just indictment to riot but incitement to racial hatred has come the the attention of the authorities over the last week and people will be being watched since we dont know if its at an end - Starmer has a Cobra meeting today re remaining alert for the weekend.

Wyllow3

Groups to the far left have been routinely monitored by Secret services for decades.

Harold Wilson was on the list in the 60s.

Chestnut

Wheniwasyourage

Chestnut

Can we have a list of hard left influencers as well?

If you worry about them, why don’t you do the work and list them? Whitewavemark2 has done it for those which most worry her (and me).

The hard left should be just as worrying as the hard right. Both are dangerous, although what defines 'hard' might be a matter of opinion either way.

Do you have a list?

I’d be interested in seeing it and their activities.

I’m a bit stuck for the way they are using SM to incite riots etc though.

Groups to the far left have been routinely monitored by Secret services for decades.

Wheniwasyourage

Chestnut

Can we have a list of hard left influencers as well?

If you worry about them, why don’t you do the work and list them? Whitewavemark2 has done it for those which most worry her (and me).

The hard left should be just as worrying as the hard right. Both are dangerous, although what defines 'hard' might be a matter of opinion either way.

I think a "plus" to come out of the events is that the social media accounts of a number of people are now being monitored and for the ringleaders this will continue, and we will see more prosecutions of incitement.

The Telegraph today headlined, "National Security Online Information Team to play central role in response to violence sweeping UK" (its behind a paywall, those were headlines"

Meanwhile Reuters headlines "Musk stirs UK divisions, sparks calls for faster rollout of online safety laws".

It points out the difficulties of using the Online Safety Bill currently,

"An Online Safety Bill was passed into law in October but has yet to be implemented. It gives media regulator Ofcom the power to fine social media companies up to 10% of global turnover if they are found in breach of the law, for example by failing to police content inciting violence or terrorism.

But Ofcom is still drawing up guidelines outlining how it will implement the law, with enforcement not expected until early next year. In the wake of recent violence, some are calling for the rules to be rolled out sooner".

www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/musk-stirs-uk-divisions-sparks-calls-faster-rollout-online-safety-laws-2024-08-07/

A lot of calls for the process to be speeded up so prosecutions can take place.