Don’t mess with the tolerant people in Brighton.

I should cut and paste Cadebys post and use it as my feelings about the labour party. It's quite poetic.

Kandinsky

*Away and bile your heid*

Get things in perspective

You need to change the record

All comments in reply to my concerns about a Labour councillor wanting to cut people’s throats.

On a thread about the tolerant peace loving left.

Here's a thing! It is possible to feel some level of irritation and also place some support and a little hope in the Labour Party.

Personally my support is very limited, my hope is tiny. I feel cynical and jaded about all things political.

The Labour Councillor sounds like a fool and I believe has been dealt with swiftly.

NF and Anderson are in a different league and still very much at large.

My phone isn’t letting me quote, but this is in reply to Oreo.

Please don’t tell me what I’d ‘rather not talk about. I can speak for myself. The question was about why we are having the discussion. The reason, as I see it, is that the subject of the councillor, who has been supported by absolutely no one on here has come up is to detract and distract from talking about the tactics of Farage, Tice, Tate and their cronies. There is very little to say about him (I forget his name). He said a stupid and inflammatory thing, was arrested and has been suspended. Nobody is disputing that or suggesting that the arrest and suspension should not have happened. It’s a dead cat, yes.

Oreo no-one has suggested it was a "throw away remark" and as you say "no-one has defended the indefensible". I'm not aware that anyone has tried to "negate it by using the dead cat of Farage and whataboutery" However, the issue of how people in the public eye respond to events of national importance is of interest and worthy of discussion. This lab councillor, Ricky Jones has been suspended and arrested. So he should be, the vile man. Farage is an elected member of parliament and made IMO, unwise and uninformed comments whilst he was out in the US, Lee Anderson also made some very unwise comments before knowing the true circumstances of the situation. It is my personal opinion that this is why they are both dangerous but they won't get arrested, will they?

Doodledog

*Why are we having this discussion? I have not seen anyone defend this vile labour councillor and I was unaware of him until I read GN.*
It seems to be an attempt to detract from a discussion of how Nigel Farage has stirred up hatred. Whataboutery was used to smear posters outside the right- wing echo chamber by suggesting that no reference was made to the councillor’s behaviour, and although that was completely untrue it persisted.

You mean you’d rather it wasn’t talked about I guess.
It has nada to do with Farage, it was a shocking incident captured on film of a Labour Councillor of mature years who should have known better, standing with a mic and ranting at the crowd around him, who cheered his comments.It wasn’t a throwaway remark to a pal of his in the pub.
We can stop talking about it and nobody here has defended the indefensible but don’t try and negate it by using the dead cat of Farage and whataboutery please.

You want a crack down on dog whistling? You mean a crackdown on words that arent threats. That's gone brilliantly well previously hasnt it?

Good. People aren’t as clever as many of them think. They may have got away with dog-whistling behaviour before, but clearly there is a crackdown in place. It’s about time.

Kandinsky

*Away and bile your heid*

Get things in perspective

You need to change the record

All comments in reply to my concerns about a Labour councillor wanting to cut people’s throats.

On a thread about the tolerant peace loving left.

A few things here making light of the situation IMO.
I don’t do the naming/ shaming thing with posters names ever, it just leads to bad feeling and spats.
Nobody has condoned it, how could they?

Whitewavemark2

I see that on-line conspiracy is now being investigated, and one person has already been arrested.

wwm2 do you mean the wealthy woman from Cheshire has been arrested? The one who forgot to use the word - ‘apparently’?

I see that on-line conspiracy is now being investigated, and one person has already been arrested.

Why are we having this discussion? I have not seen anyone defend this vile labour councillor and I was unaware of him until I read GN.
It seems to be an attempt to detract from a discussion of how Nigel Farage has stirred up hatred. Whataboutery was used to smear posters outside the right- wing echo chamber by suggesting that no reference was made to the councillor’s behaviour, and although that was completely untrue it persisted.

As far as I'm concerned I'm pleased to see anyone inciting violence, hatred, or anything else contrary to our laws, be arrested and charged appropriately. I don't care if they are hard right, hard left or hard to categorise in any way. I'm still pleased to see local communities come on their streets peacefully when their neighbours are threatened by thugs. On the news yesterday I heard that three men had been jailed, one of them described himself as anti fascist, he behaved disgracefully and got locked up as was correct. Why are we having this discussion? I have not seen anyone defend this vile labour councillor and I was unaware of him until I read GN.

Oreo

Unsure really.
A few posters are making light of the language and behaviour the other night of the London Councillor.
I would hope it wasn’t condoned on here.

Which posters are these, please?

I saw a video today of a rioter shouting at a policeman "I pay your wages, I pay your wages, I pay your wages!" as the policeman kept warning the man to move back.

The policeman's dog bit the rioter on the bum, and someone in the comments wrote...
"Not only does he pay the policeman's wages, he's now fed his dog, too"

I may have misinterpreted, because I was thinking about people on this site, rather than your general statement above Callistemon213. I wouldn’t expect that anybody on Gransnet would, and haven’t seen that anybody has, ever, said or implied that they condone extremist behaviour by whoever, so I wondered what the point was in saying anything. I assume they would be banned from the site anyway if they said something along those lines.

A few posters are making light of the language and behaviour the other night of the London Councillor

Oreo I don’t know where you’re reading any posts making light of this. I certainly can’t find any.

What he said was wrong.
No-one is condoning it.
No-one is making light of it.

I was going to just put the word 'agree' (^especially with two wrongs don't make a right^), but I remembered some don't like one word answers.

Seemed straightforward to me.

Casdon

Are people trying to make a point here, it’s eluding me if so because I don’t think anybody would condone extremist behaviour, wherever it’s coming from, surely?

The point I was making was:

Extremists of any kind inciting violence should be stopped.
Two wrongs have never made a right.

Surely that is quite straightforward?

Unsure really.
A few posters are making light of the language and behaviour the other night of the London Councillor.
I would hope it wasn’t condoned on here.

Are people trying to make a point here, it’s eluding me if so because I don’t think anybody would condone extremist behaviour, wherever it’s coming from, surely?

I'd like to think it was.

Exactly, awful people and their language and behaviour have to be called out whichever side they place themselves on.

pascal30

He's been arrested now...

Good.
There were people around cheering him too.
Extremists of any kind inciting violence should be stopped.

Two wrongs have never made a right.

Thank goodness for all the determined and steadfast people who came out to reclaim the streets.

Thanks Wwm2 - done, thanks.

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