Right Wing False Flag?????

JaneJudge

any violence anywhere isn't to be tolerated
I think even before the attacks on these little girls we had had a thread where we were discussing how much more violence seems to be happening, in all forms. It all needs to be tackled.

And things that we say online can fuel this violence. As individuals we have to be very careful about what we say.

any violence anywhere isn't to be tolerated
I think even before the attacks on these little girls we had had a thread where we were discussing how much more violence seems to be happening, in all forms. It all needs to be tackled.

"Violence from whichever side not to be tolerated." yes.

Just posted on another thread but more relevant here- two Asian men just been sentenced as part of the crackdown on these riots - they attacked a group of white men from an anti immigrant demo. Violence from whichever side not to be tolerated.

I don’t understand Freya’s point. We saw a video clip of an altercation at Manchester Airport, which was a small part of a longer event. Two policemen are consequently under investigation as well as the people who injured them. That is not the same scenario as a rioter throwing bricks or injuring somebody else, where the whole altercation is recorded on numerous cameras. It’s like comparing a complex equation with a simple addition to say both incidents should be treated in the same way - it just doesn’t add up.

BlueBelle

Any room left down the rabbit hole I can squeeze quite small if I m welcomed

You're very welcome, there's a little bottle here that says Drink Me and the contents can make you shrink.
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Not much due process? Clearly nothing this government does will be acceptable

So you have knowledge of the background proceedings regarding these thugs Freya. and how they are being processed?

Please share. A tv interview tells you nothing about what is happening to them.

Callistemon213

Wyllow3

Well, Knowles only ID'd one of the sources of threats very specifically:

That list which was a list of solicitors, their work address, their home residences, in order to encourage personal attacks on these people. Many but not all were Immigration Solicitors.

If Knowles is right on this, it's appalling and direct encouragement to direct violence to there - and their families. In which case the threat could not be ignored. it's bad enough to read social media encouraging attacks on Mosques but people in their homes? It explains why solicitors offices and other premises were boarded up.

I hope these posts will be traced and the posters arrested and charged.

I think it's Nick Lowles, Willow3

Sorry to nitpick but Nick Knowles helps people in need by renovating and changing their homes.

Charged, yes after due process. Not much of that seems to be happening in these cases. Unlike the Manchester airport thugs who are getting due process.
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Whitewavemark2

Two tier policing

Undoubtedly, that will be the first accusation.

Two tier policing

sassysaysso

Just seen there has been an arrest in Chester of a woman who posted inaccurate information about the identity of the suspect in the Southport murders. She was arrested on Thursday on suspicion of publishing written material to stir up racial hatred and false communications.

There need to be more arrests like this.

Hmm ... interesting. Her name is all over social media, as (allegedly) the first person to publish the fake ID of the Southport attacker. She's quite a prominent influencer and her interactions with people who are even more prominent are coming to light. I wonder if they'll all be deleted and just how far it will go. It could get quite nasty.

growstuff

RosiesMaw2

Galaxy

It's about last night in particular I think. Nick lowles himself seems to be saying the information was false, the photos you are using were from the previous days.

Nobody is questioning the timing, I just find it hard if not impossible to imply the government is somehow complicit in a “false flag” exercise.
And I don’t think we or anybody should be spreading what is only gossip.

I agree with you. Accusations of "false flag" will further fuel dissent. Gossip can be as dangerous as direct action.

We don’t often agree Growstuff - but well, this time, , exactly my thinking.
There is a particularly sneaky form of muck spreading much favoured by some of the most trashy press of wording some obscure smear as a question - then if you read beyond the monosyllabic headlines, it becomes clear there is NO evidence or foundation and the writer claims to be merely “disproving” some anonymous suggestion. But of course much of the damage is done.
E.g. Was Prince Philip gay? /Are Meghan and Harry splitting up? I have a hazy recollection of others in the past, but I expect you know what I mean.

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sassysaysso

OP seems very confused. To suggest the government is behind the "false flag" operation is an amazing leap, not backed up by any evidence.

As for the 15 arrested on Wednesday evening which OP "supposes" are left wing, these arrests break down as follows:
Croydon 10
Waltham Forest 4
Hounslow 1

The disturbances in Croydon were unrelated to the current protests more an anti social behaviour issue. Of the remaining 5, no indication has been given which group they belong to.

This is a good example of how mischief is spread via social media.

Yes thst is exactly the conclusion I have come to.

Just seen there has been an arrest in Chester of a woman who posted inaccurate information about the identity of the suspect in the Southport murders. She was arrested on Thursday on suspicion of publishing written material to stir up racial hatred and false communications.

There need to be more arrests like this.

OP seems very confused. To suggest the government is behind the "false flag" operation is an amazing leap, not backed up by any evidence.

As for the 15 arrested on Wednesday evening which OP "supposes" are left wing, these arrests break down as follows:
Croydon 10
Waltham Forest 4
Hounslow 1

The disturbances in Croydon were unrelated to the current protests more an anti social behaviour issue. Of the remaining 5, no indication has been given which group they belong to.

This is a good example of how mischief is spread via social media.

Incidentally, Lowles doesn't think that this was a co-ordinated false flag.

He writes: "Just to clarify, by hoax I’m meaning that the bloke simply compiled a list and hoped people would turn up, rather than being arranged by local people."

RosiesMaw2

Galaxy

It's about last night in particular I think. Nick lowles himself seems to be saying the information was false, the photos you are using were from the previous days.

Nobody is questioning the timing, I just find it hard if not impossible to imply the government is somehow complicit in a “false flag” exercise.
And I don’t think we or anybody should be spreading what is only gossip.

I agree with you. Accusations of "false flag" will further fuel dissent. Gossip can be as dangerous as direct action.

FWIW Nick Lowles isn't "far left". If you follow HopeNotHate, he reports on all kinds of extremism - far right and far left.

There are always accusations of "false flag" actions. I have no idea whether the list published was "false flag" or not. However, to make it clear, it's highly unlikely to have been the government behind it, but the government could have been the indirect target.

Extremists always know how to trigger extremists opposing them. In this case, the groups behind the riots would know that threatening mosques would bring out Muslim-supporting groups. Neither side has much faith in the police to keep order, so they take matters into their own hands. Nick Lowles and HopeNotHate are against such actions, which is why their message is always against extremism.

I don't know whether this was deliberately false flag or whether people have been deterred by the swift sentencing of people involved in previous riots. I tend to think that the "list" was genuine. It would certainly be consistent with Farage going round in a chauffeur-driven car pointing out hotels where asylum seekers are staying and the kind of actions Tommy Robinson (and others) have been involved with when they have targeted mosques.

The ultimate aim is the undermining of authority and a breakdown in law and order by creating chaos, confusion and fear. The hope would be that the police would be overwhelmed and the judiciary and prison system wouldn't be able to cope. Starmer and the government have shown that, so far at least, this isn't happening.

Far right, far left - they are all nasty ones and I wouldn’t give any of them the time of day. They all have violent tendencies, they all have hearing problems.

LizzieDrip

What the bloody hell is this thread about?

Have I gone mad?

Glad it's not just me, I must be mad as well as I honestly don't know.

I think it’s some kind of doublespeak . I’ve given up: watching a depressing film on BBC2 instead…

What the bloody hell is this thread about?

Have I gone mad?