Killed 50 women allegedly killed by men in UK so far in 2024

So glad you made it.
Well done 👏🏽👏🏽

Thanks Babs03

I too believe this has always happened, but formerly no-one was prepared to admit that domestic violence took place. Obviously, is a woman was found dead in suspicious circumstances then her husband, father, boyfriend etc. might well be suspected.

Two things have changed: boys are no longer brought up to believe that they should protect girls and women, and frankly, I am amazed OP that you think any modern woman wants to be protected by her male relations, but that does not mean that boys or men should make use of brute strength to get their own way. and that no-one seems to consider it worth while teaching the male sex, these days.

What has unfortunately not changed is one serious factor in the upbringing of girls. Few parents seem to think it necessary to teach their daughters that they should never put up with anyone offering them violence. The only thing you can do with a man who hits or otherwise abuses you is report him to the police on your way out of his life for ever.

Sparklefizz

The most dangerous time for a woman is when she ends the relationship. The children and I had to move 150 miles away as a moonlight flit with the help of friends.

So glad you made it.
Well done 👏🏽👏🏽

The most dangerous time for a woman is when she ends the relationship. The children and I had to move 150 miles away as a moonlight flit with the help of friends.

Whether men are abusing and killing women or killing other men the common denominator here is ‘men’, angry, violent men. Of course these men are in the minority but even the minority is big enough to cause untold misery here and around the world.

MissAdventure

Presumably they don't physically abuse other men. (Most, of course, I don't mean none of them do)
I wonder why?

Men are far more likely to be murdered than women. In 2023 there were 416 men murdered and only 174 women. Men commit more murders probably because they are stronger but then tend to target men not women.

Always been the same, don’t think it will ever change. 2 women a week on average killed by men every week, the stats haven’t changed in decades.

I left a violent emotionally abusive husband and am so glad I did but when you are “in it” even intelligent financially independent women don’t realise how bad it is/was until you are free. I don’t know what the answer is and now men can identify as women with no problems it means refuge spaces are not safe either . Women’s safety is a secondary concern.

And the example set by people like Andrew Tate and his brother is shocking. He is actively promoting violence towards women and has a following among young boy and men.

I've always thought these kind of things should be part of the curriculum.

Maybe we should make the freedom program compulsory, taught in schools or colleges or something

Presumably they don't physically abuse other men. (Most, of course, I don't mean none of them do)
I wonder why?

Improving mental health services will certainly help, but it’s worth remembering that many, if not most of the men who go on to kill their partners or family are not mentally unwell in the traditional sense and won’t access services. They may present as a normal man in most other aspects of their life, and be well-liked by others. That’s what makes it so insidious, you don’t know what’s happening behind closed doors.

Look at what happens when celebrities get accused and even convicted for domestic violence; so many people just don’t believe it happened and don’t believe the woman, even when there are multiple accusations by different unrelated women.

I agree absolutely with the comments on the dire state of mental health provision.
However, my understanding of the male perpetuaters of domestic violence and, sometimes, murder, is that most of them are not known to have a mental health disorder.
They " only" present a danger to women who reject them, or offend them in some way.
Many of them hold down jobs, have a social circle and don't cause anyone to suspect their behaviour in regard to women and girls.

The ideology around treatment has changed with the circumstances. Mental Health staff in the community used to be divided into 'access' and "care in community" (ie long term if necessary.

Teams are now Access (or similar) and "Recovery"and although there is some long term care under "Recovery" it doesn't recognise the need for some for possible permanent care.

Granmarderby10

I am of the opinion that the mass closure of the big mental hospitals was a big mistake.
They kept the majority of those who were a potential danger either to themselves or others under observation and possibly enforced treatment.
I am quite well aware of the tragic injustice of other people detained for decade after decade who should not have been even admitted in the first place and became institutionalised.

However it was a naive notion (driven mostly by the need to “save” money) that all the different types of mental illness could be accommodated in the community.

When the very big old institutions were closed there were enough acute wards and community mental health staff to treat and help and monitor acute conditions.

I'm aware locally in a large city that 3 out of 4 wards - yes, three quarters - have closed just since 2011 and staff are quite unable to provide support and supervision adequately anymore yet demand has increased.

this come up on a lot of threads where there has been for example stabbings and people say, why aren't these people in care.being cared for, they should have been, and the answer is that until we invest in enough facilities there won't be any change.

I can recall a fairly recent documentary..Murdered at Home, it may still be available. I think it was on ITV.

It featured several cases of women murdered in their homes by current or former partners. Had these men stabbed a stranger in the street to death, the starting point for their sentences would've been 25 years minimum. But because their victims were women, they were or had previously been in relationships (and the murders took place in the home), the sentencing started at 15 years. None of them were sentenced to a minimum of 25 years...which the families want.

The irony of the sentencing is that when the government commissioned a review of domestic homicide, it did not recommend raising the tariff.
One of the main reasons given was if an abused woman with potentially diminished responsibility kills her husband in their home, she would be subject to the same harsher sentencing!

As has been said above, most women are most in danger from a lover/ husband/ former partner, as paddyann's terrible story shows.
I am not convinced that " anger management " sessions would change the mindset of men with this view of women, sadly: I fear that it is hard wired into their psyche.
With the world wide web, of course, truly vile men can spread their misogynistic poison easily- The Tate brothers are just one example.
All we can do is offer refuges where we can, and encourage parents to raise their sons to be better men than these .

I looked it up and 38 women have been killed by men this year in Australia which is actually even worse considering our population is about a third of the uks. They have adverts about abuse and reporting it but sadly the AHs who do this are unlikely to take any notice. It is a real and ongoing problem.

I am of the opinion that the mass closure of the big mental hospitals was a big mistake.
They kept the majority of those who were a potential danger either to themselves or others under observation and possibly enforced treatment.
I am quite well aware of the tragic injustice of other people detained for decade after decade who should not have been even admitted in the first place and became institutionalised.

However it was a naive notion (driven mostly by the need to “save” money) that all the different types of mental illness could be accommodated in the community.

Did anyone else note that of the 50 women only a few (three or four I think) were outside or away from home/indoors.

I recall reading the report at the time, of the murder of the retired medical secretary who was stabbed to death while she was waiting at the bus stop at 11 something in the morning.
I found that especially horrifying because she didn’t know her killer and it was in broad daylight.

It's never far from my mind when I'm out walking alone, even in the countryside. Particularly these days when knife attacks are so prevalent, and people with mental issues are on the streets. Will we ever feel safe?

So many men out there with anger management problems/a propensity for violence, why??
What makes them like this?
Until we start dealing with the boys/men women will never be safe.

It was ever thus.
I think that I am right in saying that Jess Phillips reads the names of those murdered women out in the HoC.

paddyann54

I believe statistics show that mostwomenarekilled by men they know or are ina relationship with.The days when domestic violence were treated as just a fact of life and rarely led to arrests should be long gone.The young man who almost killed my daughter was never charged because the policeman knew him and the fact he had PTSD from a tour in Iraq….that same man is now employed. By the MET who to be fair probably knew nothing of his violence simply because. The police thought he deserved special treatment .
Special treatment for violence against women is never acceptable,regardless of what uniform is worn.

This sounds dreadful. So sorry for your daughter, where is the consideration for the victim here.

I believe statistics show that mostwomenarekilled by men they know or are ina relationship with.The days when domestic violence were treated as just a fact of life and rarely led to arrests should be long gone.The young man who almost killed my daughter was never charged because the policeman knew him and the fact he had PTSD from a tour in Iraq….that same man is now employed. By the MET who to be fair probably knew nothing of his violence simply because. The police thought he deserved special treatment .
Special treatment for violence against women is never acceptable,regardless of what uniform is worn.