Keyboard warriors - will the jail sentences deter others?

Mt61

( accidentally sent to early) going to say, so I know people who get named called due to the colour of their skin, how they must feel, hurt!

I agree, to call anyone out for the colour of their skin, their religious beliefs, their appearance etc are awful and I guess these people who are discriminated against unfairly grow thick skins pretty quickly. It’s the children I feel most sorry for in these situations.

I am uncomfortable with dragging up things that were said in different times when the people saying them were different people.

Students say daft things. All the time . They are learning who they are, and how to express that. That, in many ways, is one of the points of being a student. I really don't like the idea that we should, as adults, have our student indiscretions held against us forever.

I'm not talking about sex offenders or murders here, but people who made unfortunate choices in what they said, sometimes in the heat of the moment, and may now regret them. The courts would be full to overflowing if we were all called to account for saying things we may now regret.

doodledog

I’m pretty much sure I’m a “do gooder”!

These damned “do gooders” with their balanced views, compassion and empathy!

If one dares to make positive comments about immigration, for example, suddenly we are “do gooders” who want unfettered, uncontrolled immigration! (Said no-one, ever!)

#prouddogooder

rafichagran

This woman was inciting violence. The mob were disgusting, and wound up, but they have free will and know right from wrong.
I don't feel sorry for any of them, they all got what they deserved, her as well, she knew what she was doing.

I quite agree, she was trying to get others to do something illegal and that should not be allowed.

The only way others are going to know what we are and aren't allowed to do is by example, and this is a good one

( accidentally sent to early) going to say, so I know people who get named called due to the colour of their skin, how they must feel, hurt!

Sago

I don’t agree with the rioting and looting and hate speech however I would rather see this man in prison than a keyboard warrior.

www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/man-unfortunate-urge-seek-out-9483414

I agree and I think most of us would, however, without being pedantic, this thread isn’t about ghastly sex offenders.

Cossy

Mt61

I do actually find the expression “do gooder” quite offensive!

Do you those of us who have compassion and empathy with asylum seekers?

I simply don’t agree with the fact that “do gooders” should be used as an insult, if one isn’t a “do gooder” are they a “do badder”

Those with compassion and empathy are normally pretty balanced, can see both sides of situations and have to tolerant being called all manner of things, meant in a derogatory manner.

For instance, “lefties” “loony left” “bleeding hearts” etc etc etc

Let’s just agree not to label people any longer here in GNs, we are all grown ups and should be able to debate without resorting to personal insults.

I agree too that some people are called “fascists” and “racist” sometimes unfairly.

Agreed, Cossy. And passive aggressive. And unhelpful if the 'Some Do Gooders' are unnamed, so we are left to work out who they are.

Cossy

Hate speech is already a crime. I’d classify this both as Hate Speech, and inciting violence.

Do I think prison is appropriate?

Probably not, do I want to see an end to freedom of speech, absolutely not, do I want those “owning” the rights to FB, X etc to be more responsible, absolutely.

Would I ever consider posting something of this nature? No!

It depends who’s on the receiving end of that hate speech, I am a redhead, I have heard people on SM, people in public, comedians say the most vile, repugnant remarks to, or about people with red hair- could I ring the police? Would I ring the police? To report- no I definitely would not. I know how p

Glorianny has vanished, which I am a bit sad about, I am not implying she has been banned, I have just noticed her absence. We used to shout at each other a lot

Galaxy

As I say I like Wes Streeting, but it's the contrast that worries me. He will likely be PM (or that may be my wishful thinking) and the blokes from Sunderland will have a prison record. And yes I know his tweets were probably pre hate speech laws, but we are still saving up all sorts of problems here.

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Mt61

I do actually find the expression “do gooder” quite offensive!

Do you those of us who have compassion and empathy with asylum seekers?

I simply don’t agree with the fact that “do gooders” should be used as an insult, if one isn’t a “do gooder” are they a “do badder”

Those with compassion and empathy are normally pretty balanced, can see both sides of situations and have to tolerant being called all manner of things, meant in a derogatory manner.

For instance, “lefties” “loony left” “bleeding hearts” etc etc etc

Let’s just agree not to label people any longer here in GNs, we are all grown ups and should be able to debate without resorting to personal insults.

I agree too that some people are called “fascists” and “racist” sometimes unfairly.

Sago

I don’t agree with the rioting and looting and hate speech however I would rather see this man in prison than a keyboard warrior.

www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/man-unfortunate-urge-seek-out-9483414

So would I 👍

As I say I like Wes Streeting, but it's the contrast that worries me. He will likely be PM (or that may be my wishful thinking) and the blokes from Sunderland will have a prison record. And yes I know his tweets were probably pre hate speech laws, but we are still saving up all sorts of problems here.

What Maddy says is hopefully what people will consider before putting it out on the internet.

So yes, hopefully a deterrent, because where will it end if we have no consequences?

I have heard that two Gransnetters have been banned but not three. Surely Gransnet would not act on one report only.
I have not reported, as I would rather challenge their views if I disagreed with them.

I don’t agree with the rioting and looting and hate speech however I would rather see this man in prison than a keyboard warrior.

www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/man-unfortunate-urge-seek-out-9483414

Galaxy

It was an old tweet Maddy, student activist days, in reaction to homophobia or what he saw as homophobia from a journalist, I just worry we are showing the seeds for even more problems if we start down the line of further controls.

Thanks for explanation Galaxy. My son is gay but I don’t think anyone who is homophonic should be pushed under a train!

Mind you, I doubt he would say that now, or hopefully even think it. But it goes to show how what you write on social media can come back to bite you years later.

Galaxy

The previous owner of X suppressed the hunter Biden laptop story, and kicked of anyone who said er men arent women, it was also at the time a platform for some deeply dangerous people in regard to children. No one said a word.

Exactly.

It's a very tricky area, and having platforms like Twitter/X/Facebook complicates it, as they are international and laws vary across the world.

Cossy

Galaxy

So for example would expressing the view that someone should be pushed under a train be hateful speech.

Yes!

Yes, usually. But context is all. My grandmother used to say (of people equally to blame for something) that she'd 'put them in a boat and sink it'. A bit like 'bang their heads together'. Of course she didn't mean it literally, or even hatefully - she's apply it to her own grandchildren when we were arguing .

The previous owner of X suppressed the hunter Biden laptop story, and kicked of anyone who said er men arent women, it was also at the time a platform for some deeply dangerous people in regard to children. No one said a word.

I don’t think there is anything wrong in having a healthy debate but I do find the do gooders on here alway seem to have the final say! So alway one sided, in my view- I’ll just stick to the weather, jam making, etc on, otherwise I am no longer interested

But you are trying to have the final say by using terms like 'do gooders' . I absolutely agree that there is nothing wrong with healthy debate, but I don't think that digs like that are at all healthy, in fact they are the sort of thing that causes trouble on threads.

Galaxy

So for example would expressing the view that someone should be pushed under a train be hateful speech.

Yes!

maddyone

I don’t think Britain is anywhere near civil war. Probably the vast majority of us on here heard and saw nothing when all these riots were taking place. There was a half hearted demonstration in Portsmouth, which is the nearest city to where I live, but I live in Hampshire, not in a city, and whilst it’s not a sleepy backwater, there’s not a lot going on. Certainly no riots, and very little else. I suspect many of us live in similar situations. These awful riots, and they were awful, were restricted to big cities, where for whatever reasons, there is always more crime, more poverty, more unrest. And it was hot and the nights were light. People sat at home on social media, sharing information that would have been shared by mouth years ago. I don’t know, I’m uncomfortable about too much policing of speech.

No, I don't believe that either (and said so at the time). But it was being said on here, interestingly by the same poster who is now saying that free speech should be allowed to continue, as stopping it would bring us into line with China and Russia.

Even more interestingly, the 'civil war is inevitable in the UK' lie was started by Elon Musk, whose vast wealth depends on people being able to say what they like on his SM platform. Is he also behind the idea that having incitement laws and applying them is authoritarian? I don't use X so don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Btw, I don’t think ANY of our GNs should be banned! I’ve don’t believe I’ve ever seen the ones concerned being personal, inciting violence, or preaching hate speech.

Hate speech is already a crime. I’d classify this both as Hate Speech, and inciting violence.

Do I think prison is appropriate?

Probably not, do I want to see an end to freedom of speech, absolutely not, do I want those “owning” the rights to FB, X etc to be more responsible, absolutely.

Would I ever consider posting something of this nature? No!