Starmer's speech 27th Aug 24

Church attendance alive and well in my part of the country thank you. As for Starmer
"We won't get rid of the fuel allowance," they did,guess on the advice of Reeves advisor who once called pensioners "codgers and they should be taxed more" oh yes Sir Edward Troupe.
Who said , banging his hand on the desk, "we won't stand for corruption or cronyism" we'll he's now our PM, well not mine, I didn't vote for him, so what happens Lord Alli, a big donor to LP, for the pre elction glow up, £16, 200 for "work clothes, £2,485 for glasses, they havent improved his appearance,or his reading skills, gets a pass to no 10, for what reason?? Dressing the PM.
Oh and Ian Corfield 20,00 donation , £5000 to Reeves, got given a job in international investment, now both gone after news broke,
Cronyism alive and well in the Labour Party

Your post is hard to follow Freya, but none of it, as far as I can tell is evidence that Starmer is a liar and a cheat. Or that 'him and his cronies' are sly.

I don't understand the bit about reading skills or how someone isn't your MP because you didn't vote for him. All parties have donors, and £2k is not a lot compared to money given to the Tories. Frank Hester, for instance, (famous for saying that Diane Abbot made him want to hate all black people, and that she should be shot) donated £15 million. £2000 is a drop in the ocean by comparison.

No Cossy - you’re possibly getting exhausted reading all the fake news about Starmer 🌞

Omg! Memory issues! Honestly, I think I’m going a bit mad!

nightowl

^Cossy However, under Corbyn the LP lost two GE’s very badly^

In fact under Jeremy Corbyn Labour lost one election very badly but lost one very narrowly, increasing their share of the vote and number of seats quite significantly. It’s history now of course, but still only fair to be accurate.

Apologies, now I have memory. Thanks, it is important to be factual

Cossy However, under Corbyn the LP lost two GE’s very badly

In fact under Jeremy Corbyn Labour lost one election very badly but lost one very narrowly, increasing their share of the vote and number of seats quite significantly. It’s history now of course, but still only fair to be accurate.

With regards to Liz Truss, I just don’t believe she’d had done that, but I do believe there would have been a great shift towards the USA healthcare (or lack of it) system. She seems quite taken with Farage and admires Trump!

That says it all for me.

IMO, tbh, I think she’s several slices short of a loaf!

Grantanow

Speaking of PMs, did Truss really consider cancelling all NHS cancer treatment to save money?

That’s what I keep reading. Surely nobody could be that awful though?

Cossy

Mollygo
Cossy
Believe me it’ll take far more than 12 months to right the wrongs of the last 24 years!
I agree. I’m glad you were honest enough to included time when the LP were in power.
As you will see from my very next comment, I mistyped the 24, I did mean 14, but tbh there were issues too in the previous govt.
No govts are perfect.
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Sorry I missed your correction Cody.
To be fair I thought it was probably a Freudian slip.
I absolutely agree with your last sentence.

Mollygo

Maggiemaybe
Yes I know, but he said it, not knowing whether there would be a deal or not. He also said it was wrong to cancel the WFA. Are you claiming that it doesn’t matter what you say when you’re in opposition?
I must remember that

I’m claiming nothing. Just putting out the timeline so that people don’t get confused and assume this was a recent speech, made when he was party leader.

Farzanah

Jeremy Corbyn had some very good policies as I remember. The first was to increase the NHS budget.

He did have some great policies and was actually a socialist (I consider Starmer far more of a centralist, even though I voted for him)

However, under Corbyn the LP lost two GE’s very badly and it’s so ironic these so called red walls voting for Johnson!

Talk about Turkeys voting for Christmas!

Mollygo

Cossy
Believe me it’ll take far more than 12 months to right the wrongs of the last 24 years!
I agree. I’m glad you were honest enough to included time when the LP were in power.

As you will see from my very next comment, I mistyped the 24, I did mean 14, but tbh there were issues too in the previous govt. No govts are perfect.

Maggiemaybe
Yes I know, but he said it, not knowing whether there would be a deal or not. He also said it was wrong to cancel the WFA. Are you claiming that it doesn’t matter what you say when you’re in opposition?
I must remember that

Knspok, I so agree with you. We only get told what the government wants us to know. I absolutely agree that the LP are all about reducing people to the same level and interfering too much. We are too regulated in all kinds of ways.

Doodledog well said.

Doodledog

JuBut

Starmer is a liar and a cheat. He will tax everyone to the hilt, take certain allowances away and we'll end up on our knees!! What was once supposed to be the people's party, is probably worse than the Conservatives. Him and his cronies are very sly!!

Is there any evidence whatsoever for these slurs (liar, cheat, sly - these are libellous words unless they can be proven) , or is it all entirely in your head?

And why would people fall to their knees? Church attendance has been falling for years.

Church attendance alive and well in my part of the country thank you. As for Starmer
"We won't get rid of the fuel allowance," they did,guess on the advice of Reeves advisor who once called pensioners "codgers and they should be taxed more" oh yes Sir Edward Troupe.
Who said , banging his hand on the desk, "we won't stand for corruption or cronyism" we'll he's now our PM, well not mine, I didn't vote for him, so what happens Lord Alli, a big donor to LP, for the pre elction glow up, £16, 200 for "work clothes, £2,485 for glasses, they havent improved his appearance,or his reading skills, gets a pass to no 10, for what reason?? Dressing the PM.
Oh and Ian Corfield 20,00 donation , £5000 to Reeves, got given a job in international investment, now both gone after news broke,
Cronyism alive and well in the Labour Party

Speaking of PMs, did Truss really consider cancelling all NHS cancer treatment to save money?

Mollygo

Maggiemaybe

Was that Jeremy Corbyn’s policy?
May have been, but, I copied it off Starmer’s speech.

When he was shadow Brexit spokesman apparently, back in September 2019. When there was still no sign of any sort of Brexit deal.

www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/keir-starmer-labour-is-committed-to-a-second-referendum-a4243906.html

Farzanah

Jeremy Corbyn had some very good policies as I remember. The first was to increase the NHS budget.

He did. But the very people that needed a socialist government preferred Johnson.

Well said, cossy. 'Gold plated pensions' are often trotted out by those who haven't caught up with the 21st century. The changes made in 2007 certainly reduced the pension value as did the unilateral change to CPI from RPI the Tories made to reduce the value of indexation (while they continued to collect student loan interest at RPI). Private sector salaries were about twice as much as equivalent senior Civil Service ones and, as you say, salaries were frozen for years.

Jeremy Corbyn had some very good policies as I remember. The first was to increase the NHS budget.

Mollygo

Maggiemaybe

Was that Jeremy Corbyn’s policy?
May have been, but, I copied it off Starmer’s speech.

So when did he say that? My take on Brexit which, I believe is Starmers too, is that I wanted a people’s vote because I believed the referendum was won deceitfully using lies and misinformation. But that the 2019 election resulted in people voting for Johnson to ‘get Brexit done’. Therefore the red wall were still very much pro Brexit. And Starmer, having regained their votes, will not turn it around. But what he will do ( and has been working towards this for years) is to rebuild our relationship with Europe. Remember Truss and her ‘Macron, friend or foe’ comment? We were never going to rebuild the ties with our nearest trading partners with PM’s like that.

Maggiemaybe

Was that Jeremy Corbyn’s policy?
May have been, but, I copied it off Starmer’s speech.

Cossy
Believe me it’ll take far more than 12 months to right the wrongs of the last 24 years!
I agree. I’m glad you were honest enough to included time when the LP were in power.

JuBut

Starmer is a liar and a cheat. He will tax everyone to the hilt, take certain allowances away and we'll end up on our knees!! What was once supposed to be the people's party, is probably worse than the Conservatives. Him and his cronies are very sly!!

Is there any evidence whatsoever for these slurs (liar, cheat, sly - these are libellous words unless they can be proven) , or is it all entirely in your head?

And why would people fall to their knees? Church attendance has been falling for years.

Mollygo

^So, if Labour wins the next election, we will act swiftly. In the first Queen’s Speech of a Labour government, we will immediately introduce legislation for a referendum to take place.^
That referendum will take place as soon as possible — and no later than six months from a Labour government taking office

Stand by for action. . .

Was that Jeremy Corbyn’s policy?