Starmer's speech 27th Aug 24

Nice catch, MaizieD.

Facts never get in the way of unsubstantiated digs, do they?

Freya5

MayBee70

The portrait totally dominated the room. Thatcher is the total antithesis of everything Starmer stands for and believes in. Is it any wonder that he didn’t want it taking centre stage in that room? Would Thatcher have sat in the shadow of a huge portrait if Keir Hardy every day? I think not. Maybe Brown had it commissioned to remind everybody how her ideologies completely divided the country and continue to do so to this day?

Wonder why no other Labour PM moved this portrait from The Thatcher Room.
Perhaps his Union paymasters made him do it.
He is disparaging the office of PM.
She gathered the country together. He is tearing it apart.

Remarkable historical ignorance here, Freya.

Gordon Brown, for some obscure reason, commissioned the painting. Brown was the last Labour PM before Starmer took office this year.

But do feel free to list all the Labour PMs between Brown and Starmer who didn't have the picture removed..

My partner is convinced that his fathers death from a stroke just before he was due to retire ( he was incredibly fit and healthy for his age) was because of an argument he had with Nigel Lawson about his plans for the mining industry. He was worried sick about what the future held for the miners. People may have been made redundant under other governments but I don’t remember it ever being as bad as it was when Thatcher was PM; remember what Tebbit said about people getting on their bikes. And my husband was an engineer in what should have been a safe industry.

Actually I don’t believe
That we were all united in being worried sick that we would have a redundancy notice in our paypacket each month
any more than we are now.
There were things that went wrong then, just as there were under TB and GB.

As a matter of fact, DH was made redundant under the Labour government. We were certainly worried sick then.

Besides which, Mrs T had a good headline phrase-so good that Starmer has bagged it for himself.

MayBee70

She gathered the country together? In what way? That we were all united in being worried sick that we would have a redundancy notice in our paypacket each month!

Well then, perhaps you'll empathise when fanatical milliband puts all the oil workers on the dole. Making our energy bills even higher due to having to import more oil and gas from Dubai, instead of utilising what is under our feet. Still they are under the thumb of the stop oil criminals. How clever is that. Starmer and his Crew are becoming the most authoritarian Gov ever seen in this country. No wonder they are plummeting in the polls.

David49

In the last few weeks Starmer has axed WFA, slashed MPs expenses, cancelled the Helicopter trips and promised a tough budget stopping the previous waste.

He’s my kind of PM, if I have to pay tax I want it spent properly not gifted to those who already have enough

Where has he slashed mps expenses. Stopping their WFA at 2,000 each would be an excellent Start.

MayBee70

She gathered the country together? In what way? That we were all united in being worried sick that we would have a redundancy notice in our paypacket each month!

Absolutely, MayBee. I don't think there has been a more divisive PM, although the past 14 years has seen a few close contenders.

Freya5 👏👏👏👏👏👏

She gathered the country together? In what way? That we were all united in being worried sick that we would have a redundancy notice in our paypacket each month!

MayBee70

The portrait totally dominated the room. Thatcher is the total antithesis of everything Starmer stands for and believes in. Is it any wonder that he didn’t want it taking centre stage in that room? Would Thatcher have sat in the shadow of a huge portrait if Keir Hardy every day? I think not. Maybe Brown had it commissioned to remind everybody how her ideologies completely divided the country and continue to do so to this day?

Wonder why no other Labour PM moved this portrait from The Thatcher Room.
Perhaps his Union paymasters made him do it.
He is disparaging the office of PM.
She gathered the country together. He is tearing it apart.

Siope so you don’t know if AR has changed the office for deputy PM after all …. Probably don’t care either…

^I can find no more information on AR taking over the Attorney General’s office in the Commons apart from GF*

I wonder why that is…

Finding what? I haven’t said anything about Rayner’s office specifically. I simply explained, using information from one reputable source - the Hansard Society - how offices in Parliament are allocated.

Siope well I am bored too. I can find no more information on AR taking over the Attorney General’s office in the Commons apart from GF - so just where are you finding this ?

That’s quite a level of caring.

Mollygo because a) I’m bored, and b) I dislike people making unsubstantiated claims as if they are stating facts.

However, for the record, the Hansard Siciety has a clear explanation of how offices are allocated; oddly (not a bit oddly) MPs do t just get to choose their own:

Offices are allocated by the party whips, according to seniority and with regard to party balance in each building and across the estate

So that’s Whips from all parties, agreeing.

Siope

No. I genuinely couldn’t care less who sits where.

So why comment negatively then, if you really don’t care?

No. I genuinely couldn’t care less who sits where.

Siope I think Guido Fawkes seems a lot more knowledgeable than most on this forum however. I didn’t read that as an unsubstantiated rumour but wouldn’t it be great to find out for sure?

Oh, and even if it’s true, I don’t see that the allocation of MP’s offices requires you to feel anything.

You been reading “the dung on the rose bush of politics” again, ronib? And even your friend Paul couched that as an unsubstantiated rumour.

AR has taken over the office in the Commons previously used by the Attorney General for the last 100 years. I don’t know what to think. Perhaps she needs the extra space ??

Anyone else think that Angela Rayner has been pretty good in parliament today? Made mincemeat of Badenoch [imo].