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Stonewall withdraws from schools and colleges!

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Namsnanny Fri 06-Sept-24 12:42:43

JaneJudge

I'd like to see what happens in reality.

My guess is a lot of confusion.

Parents will have to do a lot of work persuading teachers, who lets not forget, have been
groomed trained to believe this ideology, to see things differently.

Again parents have been left with no enforceable boundaries, and probably only the health of their bank balance to rely on to protect their child.

All ideologies are about top down control.
This is no different.

Galaxy Fri 06-Sept-24 11:00:15

I think the current advice re children is to be very cautious about social transition, the prevalence of children with autism in this cohort is well known, and for me a serious cause for concern. We as professionals and society tend to get things wrong for children with autism frequently.

Cossy Fri 06-Sept-24 10:53:53

What happens then if schools come across students who are “gender fluid” or wish to change their pronouns/names etc.

I’m talking only of secondary schools and colleges.

An extremely close and long standing friend has a 13 year old grandchild, fully diagnosed with autism and in puberty who recently (months rather than years) has asked to be called a different name, a recognisable name be which can be used
for both sexes, and wishes to be known as “them” and has had her hair cut by a barber and know looks exactly like a boy.

Her family and school have gone with the and hope that once through puberty and when “they” have learn to manage their emotions and autism better, things might revert to “normal”.

I feel for them all. I support how it’s been managed.

JaneJudge Fri 06-Sept-24 10:34:17

I'd like to see what happens in reality.

Witzend Fri 06-Sept-24 10:29:04

👏👏!

Namsnanny Wed 04-Sept-24 13:32:50

After reading this a few days ago, (I believe it was released on 11th of July with no MSM coverage?) and reveling in the hope that things were going to change.
I realised, actually it will be very hard to monitor.

Will parents be able to question and take action against a school, one teacher in the school, a book used? Etc. etc. etc.

Will it take a whack-a-mole approach on an individual basis?
Which, if the recent past is anything to go by(giggle v tickle for example), could end up with results going either way.

I always fall back on the adage of 'follow the money'.
Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, BlackRock etc. Are still investing in the industry that will support transing.
I bow to their financial knowledge.

As Ddg points out, there are a lot of changes in the system that have to do a volt face to bring about real change, and not one of our institutions has set out what they will do to embrace this change.

If any one wants more in depth knowledge of what it is like to be a parent and approach schools on their stance on such issues, LWS has parents telling their stories on its website.
Plus someone from the organisation will accompany parents to meetings with schools and teachers. As an observer, or an advocate, or supporter, should anyone wish.

Nonetheless, I will take good news where I can find it, and raise a glass to all the warriors who keep on keeping on.

Doodledog Tue 03-Sept-24 04:17:35

M0nica

I suspect that they have lost a lot of their funding and are having to cut their coat to fit their cloth.

Mermaids is only one on a list of links. put there to save face. I doubt many schools will follow the links up. Just let out a big sigh of relief that they can treat their pupils as unique and individual rather than having to force them to conform to stereotypes.

I would be very interested to know what (if anything) does happen as a result of this. Whether ‘gender’ as a concept is quietly dropped or new policies replace the Stonewall ones, and whether new training replaces the old.

If anyone works in schools, or has children who do, please let us know?

rafichagran Tue 03-Sept-24 02:45:42

In

rafichagran Tue 03-Sept-24 02:45:28

They should not have been I Schools in the first place. Good news that they are going.

Mollygo Tue 03-Sept-24 02:29:03

About time too. I suspect SueDonim is correct about it surfacing now the schools are going back.

Wheniwasyourage Mon 02-Sept-24 22:22:18

Good. About time too.

JudyBloom Mon 02-Sept-24 21:52:47

Yes this is good news. At long last.

SueDonim Mon 02-Sept-24 21:49:08

They kept that quiet! It’s dated July 11th. Maybe it’s come to light because schools in England are resuming this week.

M0nica Mon 02-Sept-24 21:47:01

I suspect that they have lost a lot of their funding and are having to cut their coat to fit their cloth.

Mermaids is only one on a list of links. put there to save face. I doubt many schools will follow the links up. Just let out a big sigh of relief that they can treat their pupils as unique and individual rather than having to force them to conform to stereotypes.

Sago Mon 02-Sept-24 21:32:44

Common sense has prevailed.

Doodledog Mon 02-Sept-24 21:17:38

It's a start, Galaxy. Big oaks from little acorns etc.

The stranglehold is loosening. I know there is a long way to go, but the journey of a thousand miles starts with a single footstep.

Is that enough metaphors for one post? grin.

Norah Mon 02-Sept-24 21:15:02

Wonderful!

Galaxy Mon 02-Sept-24 21:14:55

They are recommending Mermaids in that link so it's not easy to be reassured.

Smileless2012 Mon 02-Sept-24 21:10:37

Better late than never but a travesty this ever happened at all.

Doodledog Mon 02-Sept-24 21:00:44

www.stonewall.org.uk/schools-colleges/stonewall-school-college-champion-membership

Well well well. The tide now seems to be going out.

Membership of the toxic Diversity Champion scheme is no longer to be offered in schools and colleges. They don't say why, or what happens to existing members, but this has to be good news. Teaching staff will be able to use conventional language (such as 'boys and girls') without fear of the school being withdrawn and getting bad publicity.

There is very little detail, but presumably the end result will be that nobody will care about their kitemark and existing members will withdraw themselves. I hope so.