Conservatives Party Leadership Race

RIP One Nation Conservatives. Very sad.

I did find some limited allowances for MP's who are sole carers
www.theipsa.org.uk/freedom-of-information/2012-13/foi2013-a212

I suppose, Wyllow3, lots of parents commute weekly. Travelling to London on Monday morning and back on Friday night.

My daughter shared a flat with onr such commuter (from Leeds or Sheffield) for years. He moved back to his family full time after the pandemic.

Yes, I've long thought there should be state owned flats for MP's in central London, however for MP's with children how to accommodate a family life? They may sometimes need to see mums (or dads) in the week or weekends when critical events mean staying longer in London?

Second home allowances for MPs should, however, be restricted to those who live more than an hour’s commute from Westminster, and should be restricted to the cost of a one- bedroomed flat. Better yet, there should be state-owned accommodation in which MPs can stay when they need to be in London overnight. They should live in their constituencies, and should, like the rest of us, meet the costs of running and maintaining their home out of their salaries.

I don't know why broadly speaking MP's are criticised for 'having second homes" when it's necessary to live in your own constituency as well as London. Including a family life when they have dependants.

However I do think its a good idea to revise limiting heating expenses in the current climate.

I don't think any of them will do much to improve the Tory party, I am pinning my hopes on the Reform Party for the future.

The Tory party lost their chance to have Rory Stewart as its leader and no one on the current list has his intelligence, capacity for clear analysis and being, open to listening.

It's a shame that some of those who were beaten in the last leadership race did not stand again, it was a stronger field.

I couldn't give a damn, the whole bunch of parliamentarians are in it for their own good. i.e. Rachel Reeves cutting the pensioners heating allowance bemoaning the fact that she struggles to live on her salary,but keeping the heating allowance for MPs second homes. Says it all.

Everyone slates Johnson for his bad leadership but not one of them have had to put up with what he had when he was made PM. Brexit, Covid, opened gates for immigration and things have got much worse since he was booted out.

I honestly cannot pick a leader for the Conservative party but I do think the Wombles of Wimbledon would do a darned better job than all of them put together.

growstuff

I agree with you about TT as the "least worst".

I'd actually love Badenoch to be leader because it would guarantee that the Conservatives wouldn't be able to form a government for years. I think you know my opinion of my MP.

I totally understand your reasoning, but hell no!

Conservatives have been the architects of their own demise

I hope that they can regroup and form a credible opposition, and regain the respect that has been lost.

A strong and upstanding opposition is needed to hold the Government of the day to account.

I agree with you about TT as the "least worst".

I'd actually love Badenoch to be leader because it would guarantee that the Conservatives wouldn't be able to form a government for years. I think you know my opinion of my MP.

growstuff

Freya5

GrannyGravy13

I have just had a quick google on TT’s stance on the ECHR.

He is concerned that on multiple occasions when the UK has tried to deport foreign criminals (including murderers and rapists) that the Government of the day has been prevented by human rights lawyers using the ECHR.

Surely we have enough of our home grown criminals without being forced to let foreign criminals remain here?

Seems strange to me that Germany can, and does go ahead with deporting foreign criminals and failed asylum seekers, and back to Afghanistan, 28 in the last few days.
Their law states any foreigner committing crimes will be, not may be, deported after their sentence has been served, if convicted, their right to stay or residence permit is rescinded.
Instead, Labour will let foreign crimmies loose, to walk our streets,possibly commit further outrages.
Obviously no left wing lawyers stopping German crims being sent back from whence they came.

Which surely shows that it's not the ECHR which is preventing deportation.

Nobody knows what the future holds. The ECHR gives all of us a level of protection from our own government.

If you look at UK cases involving the ECHR, it's quite clear that the UK also deports people despite ECHR involvement.

researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8049/CBP-8049.pdf

I do not disagree with you growstuff

I just feel that out of the five remaining motley candidates TT is the least worst.

They all have political baggage to some degree.

Sending prisoners to another European country may be the only short term solution available, I know the last government were already looking into it, and that other countries do it already. It’s not ideal by any means, but it seems like Hobson’s choice to me.

Freya5

GrannyGravy13

I have just had a quick google on TT’s stance on the ECHR.

He is concerned that on multiple occasions when the UK has tried to deport foreign criminals (including murderers and rapists) that the Government of the day has been prevented by human rights lawyers using the ECHR.

Surely we have enough of our home grown criminals without being forced to let foreign criminals remain here?

Seems strange to me that Germany can, and does go ahead with deporting foreign criminals and failed asylum seekers, and back to Afghanistan, 28 in the last few days.
Their law states any foreigner committing crimes will be, not may be, deported after their sentence has been served, if convicted, their right to stay or residence permit is rescinded.
Instead, Labour will let foreign crimmies loose, to walk our streets,possibly commit further outrages.
Obviously no left wing lawyers stopping German crims being sent back from whence they came.

Which surely shows that it's not the ECHR which is preventing deportation.

Nobody knows what the future holds. The ECHR gives all of us a level of protection from our own government.

If you look at UK cases involving the ECHR, it's quite clear that the UK also deports people despite ECHR involvement.

researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8049/CBP-8049.pdf

Oops Estonian Prisons

Labour are looking at sending our prisoners to Estonia for the duration of their sentences, one of their MP’s (Dame Angela Eagle) did not deny this whilst being interviewed on the press round this morning.

I wonder how this will go down within the party?

Ok I do nit agree with leaving the ECHR.
The point is that any country can deport people.

GrannyGravy13

I have just had a quick google on TT’s stance on the ECHR.

He is concerned that on multiple occasions when the UK has tried to deport foreign criminals (including murderers and rapists) that the Government of the day has been prevented by human rights lawyers using the ECHR.

Surely we have enough of our home grown criminals without being forced to let foreign criminals remain here?

Seems strange to me that Germany can, and does go ahead with deporting foreign criminals and failed asylum seekers, and back to Afghanistan, 28 in the last few days.
Their law states any foreigner committing crimes will be, not may be, deported after their sentence has been served, if convicted, their right to stay or residence permit is rescinded.
Instead, Labour will let foreign crimmies loose, to walk our streets,possibly commit further outrages.
Obviously no left wing lawyers stopping German crims being sent back from whence they came.

So it’s worth losing protection for ourselves as long as it means we can get rid of a few more immigrants? The ECHR protects our rights, too.

I have just had a quick google on TT’s stance on the ECHR.

He is concerned that on multiple occasions when the UK has tried to deport foreign criminals (including murderers and rapists) that the Government of the day has been prevented by human rights lawyers using the ECHR.

Surely we have enough of our home grown criminals without being forced to let foreign criminals remain here?

Precisely…

MayBee70

I thought he was better than that. I felt he was saying something to get votes, not something that he truly believed in. Do you think it’s ok to leave the ECHR?

Leaving the European convention on human rights would be the thin end of the wedge. Those who want to get rid of it want to be able to bend the rules with regard to how they treat people. Of course many assume it will just be with regard to migrants, meaning inhumane methods for dealing with them can go ahead unimpeded, but is short sighted to believe it stops there. First they came for the migrants and we said nothing, then they came for low paid workers and we said nothing, then they came for us.
Is ever thus.

I thought he was better than that. I felt he was saying something to get votes, not something that he truly believed in. Do you think it’s ok to leave the ECHR?