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Charlie Mullins

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Dinahmo Fri 13-Sept-24 16:57:55

For anyone who has missed the news recently Charlie Mullins has announced that he is leaving the UK. Here's a link to Marina Hyde in the Guardian. Other sources are available.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/13/charlie-mullins-farewell-tour-britain-taxes-multimillionaires

foxie48 Sun 19-Jan-25 20:53:10

Farage is not in a position to make an ally of the US, he's not in government. I have no problem with whichever party is in government making an ally of the US even if Trump is POTUS, it's called diplomacy.

Shinamae Sun 19-Jan-25 19:46:09

foxie48

Freya5 Wishful thinking! He's apparently hosting an inauguration party in Washington for Trump. He seems more interested in US politics than he does in British politics!

You’re quite right, he really shouldn’t be cozying up to Trump at all because we are quite able to defend ourselves with our army and other forces .
No, we don’t really need America as an ally best to keep them at arms length….🤔

ronib Sun 19-Jan-25 14:21:00

What has happened to the wealth in the Sunak family? Farage is a pauper in comparison?

Cossy Sun 19-Jan-25 13:33:47

foxie48

Freya5 Wishful thinking! He's apparently hosting an inauguration party in Washington for Trump. He seems more interested in US politics than he does in British politics!

Freya

Rather an odd version of a patriot I’ve not seen much action in his constituency from him, very sad as it contains two very deprived wards, Jaywick and Pier Ward.

He was absolutely desperate to be an MP and now he is one, instead of staying local and learning his role and being “visible” he seems to spent more time abroad than in his own country.

Cossy Sun 19-Jan-25 13:28:05

Shut the door on the way out!

Hope he enjoys his retirement and spends his money wisely, but as appears to have sold his business on, him leaving should have little impact on anyone

foxie48 Sun 19-Jan-25 13:24:19

Freya5 Wishful thinking! He's apparently hosting an inauguration party in Washington for Trump. He seems more interested in US politics than he does in British politics!

Freya5 Sun 19-Jan-25 13:10:26

foxie48

Perhaps Mr Farage will leave now he's Britain's highest earning MP. He'd have to give up his seat, of course, but would anyone notice?

He is a patriot, he won't leave. Why would he.

Wyllow3 Sun 19-Jan-25 12:23:53

Conversation yesterday: My sis, born into my very ordinary family wealth wise, by reasons of her and her DH being consultants and his family having some private money, have worked very hard in their lives.
They willingly pay every tax penny (and charities) but they - no doubt from having worked in the NHS all their lives with people, not lived a life "apart" believe that we stand or fall by how we live together in society as a whole.

MaizieD Sun 19-Jan-25 12:11:50

Posters are very naive to believe that all the millionaires who are reported as fleeing the UK are in any way 'wealth creators'. They are more likely to be wealth accumulators and hoarders.

I came across an interesting blog recently, by a doctor in the field of neuroscience. It's about oligarchs, but I suspect that anyone who pursues the accumulation of excessive wealth is likely to display similar traits.

Some quotes.

It’s more than 10 years since I started my research in neuroscience. I remember the sense of astonishment. Soon, I got used to how remarkable the brain was and the ingenuity of neuroscientists (and others) trying to learn more about it. But when I delved into the neuroscience of greed, I was once again greeted by that same sense of astonishment I had ten years previously.

I was astonished at the sheer volume of research undertaken on both Dispositional Greed (a consuming drive to constantly want more money and/or power) and Greed Personality Trait. So convincing is the evidence of neuropathology that the question as to whether Dispositional Greed is a mental disorder or not has now been replaced by the question of what type of disorder it is - addiction, psychopathy, or part of the ‘dark triad’?

I was also astonished at just how substantial the brain changes are in those who are consumed by their greed. I was surprised to find that so disruptive is greed to the normal, healthy development of the brain that cortical regulation (prefrontal cortex) on the emotional system (limbic) was significantly lacking. Those with Dispositional Greed are essentially underdeveloped.

... the Greedy Brian has significant deficits in higher cognitive brain functions such as "decision making, reasoning, personality expression, maintaining social appropriateness, and other complex cognitive behaviours” (some of the known functions of the prefrontal cortex).

While difficult to quantify (neuroscience isn’t quite advanced enough yet), there is very likely to be an impaired ability to appreciate art, poetry, nature, relationships, and other meaningful aspects of life.

For those of us who lie in their wake the deficits in the greedy brain have more worrying ramifications.

Firstly, there is the obvious issue: greedy people will take more of our shared resources for themselves. This has been happening for centuries and is now set to peak once again. The consequences of this are far-reaching.

The direct consequences include the lack of resources for others in society. Poverty, health inequality, further decline in educational opportunities, and a much weaker safety net for the vast majority of people seem unavoidable at this stage.

There's more, of course.

dangoyal.substack.com/p/the-motivation-behind-the-oligarchs?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share

Wyllow3 Sun 19-Jan-25 11:48:26

JenniferEccles

I remember reading that the top 1% of earners in this country are responsible for about one third of tax paid.

They therefore contribute hugely to the country yet still this idiotic government is driving thousands away. Madness yet so typical of socialism which always punishes the wealth creators until they have had enough.

Who can blame them? Not me.

Those figures predate the current government for quite some time. So I don't know what you are blaming socialism when it actually has been the case under previous conservative governments .
The figure was 29% under Sunak's government, and has been pointed out above, the rich leaving is not new.

(Institute for Fiscal Studies).

Shinamae Sun 19-Jan-25 10:53:26

Grantanow

Mullins: one swallow doesn't make a summer.

At least he’s showing himself to be a true patriot, unlike the other “rats”who are leaving the sinking ship…

ronib Sun 19-Jan-25 07:31:39

Talking of swallows- in late September swallows leave the Uk to fly a distance of 8,000 miles to Africa eating bugs and insects en route. They fly 200 miles a day. Migration is in pursuit of food supply returning here for our bugs and insects in the warm months. Economists should take note….

LizzieDrip Sat 18-Jan-25 18:41:33

Good point Elegransmile

Grantanow Sat 18-Jan-25 18:22:20

Mullins: one swallow doesn't make a summer.

Elegran Sat 18-Jan-25 18:11:00

"Sweet and fitting to die for your homeland", Allira, but if those non-combatants still at home don't pay their taxes, the fighters will be unpaid and without supplies and weapons.

Oreo Sat 18-Jan-25 17:38:12

LizzieDrip

Sorry Oreo, I meant goodbye to the Mr Mullins (and other millionaires leaving) … not goodbye to the thread. Didn’t make myself clear🙈

Thanks for asking anywaysmile

Ah, all is clear 😃

Allira Sat 18-Jan-25 15:25:25

LizzieDrip

Fine!

There is no more patriotic act than paying your taxes. The millionaires who are leaving are not patriotic - not matter how much they shout about being so.

Goodbye👋

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/21/britain-millionaires-leave-tax-havens-uk

Sorry, Horace would disagree with you:

“Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori”

Elegran Sat 18-Jan-25 15:14:45

Don't believe all the rumours you hear, BigBopper and don't pay any attention to stirrers in other countries like Elon Musk who think they know best about what should happen in the UK. (Their main reason for coming out with their uninformed pronouncements is to give their own fellow countrymen the impression that they are experts in international affairs)

Dickens Sat 18-Jan-25 14:47:18

HNWI (High Net Worth Individuals) were leaving the UK in 2023 at double the rate of the previous year.

Brexit, uncertainty over non-dom status and deterioration of the country’s National Health Service since 2010 were among the top reasons given by researchers for the exodus of rich citizens. (source: Spear's Weekly)

The exodus started before Starmer took office - and it isn't / wasn't all about tax.

It should be noted that despite their importance, taxes are by no means the only driver of the ongoing exodus of millionaires out of the UK. Other economic and finance-related reasons include:

... The impact of Brexit on financial markets and general business opportunities in the UK.

... Failure to recover from the 2008 financial crisis. Britain has been one of the worst-performing economies in the world since the crisis, when measured in USD terms, with total private wealth held in the country down by -10% since its 2007 pre-crisis peak (in USD). The UK’s GDP per capita (in USD) is also down -3% over this period, which compares very poorly to the US (+70%) and the world (+52%) – see link. It is worth noting that back in 2007, the UK had a higher GDP per capita than the US but now it ranks well behind.

(source: Henley & Partners = global leader in residence and citizenship by investment)

Maremia Sat 18-Jan-25 14:25:49

Dinahmo, hope it all worked out for your niece.

LizzieDrip Sat 18-Jan-25 13:43:33

Sorry Oreo, I meant goodbye to the Mr Mullins (and other millionaires leaving) … not goodbye to the thread. Didn’t make myself clear🙈

Thanks for asking anywaysmile

theworriedwell Sat 18-Jan-25 13:14:39

I thought he had announced he's moving back to support Farage and stand as an MP?

JenniferEccles Sat 18-Jan-25 13:05:16

I remember reading that the top 1% of earners in this country are responsible for about one third of tax paid.

They therefore contribute hugely to the country yet still this idiotic government is driving thousands away. Madness yet so typical of socialism which always punishes the wealth creators until they have had enough.

Who can blame them? Not me.

Oreo Sat 18-Jan-25 13:04:22

Lisaangel10

maddyone

Actually Charlie Mullins is a very interesting person. He started out from nothing and built an enormously successful plumbing business, employing thousands of people, and made himself extremely rich in the process.
Good for him.

He is an interesting character. Starting from nothing with no qualifications to becoming a multi millionaire takes some doing.

Think of all the plumbers he has trained up, then employed, all the tax he has paid, all the suppliers and small businesses he has supported and all the customers he has done a good job for.

I don’t blame him a bit for choosing to move abroad after 71 years.

He prob thinks after a long active life it’s time to retire to the sun.I don’t blame him either.

Oreo Sat 18-Jan-25 12:59:14

LizzieDrip

Fine!

There is no more patriotic act than paying your taxes. The millionaires who are leaving are not patriotic - not matter how much they shout about being so.

Goodbye👋

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/21/britain-millionaires-leave-tax-havens-uk

Why are you saying goodbye?