Oops! Sir Keir drops a massive 45 points in the opinion polls.

Stats hey? How about a breakdown of individual countries and not mixing them all together in a eurozone?
It’s like saying the average price of a detached house in England is, say, £800,000 when that’s true but doesn’t take into account the fact that different regions have different prices.
If it’s true that the 9 billion payout is adding to the ‘black hole’ of 22 or rather is part of it then that makes a big difference.

Lisaangel10

karmalady

LucyLocket55

He was voted in by a massive majority …. be careful what you wish for

Get real, 20% of the uk population is not a majority of voters

He will be out before long, to be replaced by another robot at the beck and call of the paymasters

Just what I was going to say karmalady.

This is the most inane argument out there at the moment. It’s how the British democratic system works. You cannot blame any government for winning a majority of seats and governing on that basis - when did any government win more than 50% of votes?

karmalady

LucyLocket55

He was voted in by a massive majority …. be careful what you wish for

Get real, 20% of the uk population is not a majority of voters

He will be out before long, to be replaced by another robot at the beck and call of the paymasters

Just what I was going to say karmalady.

There isn’t Oreo, or at least, it’s nothing like the position in the UK.
‘Overview. At the end of the first quarter of 2024, the general government gross debt to GDP ratio in the euro area (EA20) stood at 88.7%, compared with 88.2% at the end of the fourth quarter of 2023. In the EU, the ratio also increased from 81.5% to 82.0%.22 Jul 2024
ec.europa.eu › eurostat › web

Casdon

Smileless2012

I've no idea Doodledog just as I've no idea if the 22 billion black hole is true, or just for the gullible to absorb.

The national debt – the sum total of every deficit – rose by 4.3 percentage points during the year to August 2024, to 100% of GDP, meaning an overall debt pile equal in size to the annual value of everything produced in the economy. Of course there’s a problem.

There’s a problem all over Europe with debt since Covid, our black hole is also theirs.It’s stated that 9 billion of the 22 billion is money chosen to be paid to doctors and train drivers.
It was also a choice to remove WFA to pensioners, one that KS doesn’t seem to be losing any sleep over.

I too would like that detailed account Smileless. You will never find out that it is this government's way. Say one thing, do the other. Yes he's created space in prisons, leaving families devastated. Murder is ok tap on the knuckles but stealing is not.No plan for those people let-out, no tags just free to roam, bet they don't even know where they are. Never mind he has made a bit of space, weve got this for five years. Hes jitted his family out on freebies, now when his wardrobe is full, he has stopped. You couldn't make it up.

I honestly cannot believe that any man would allow another man to pay for his wifes clothing especially when that man is a multi millionaire himself but still taking money from another multi millionaire. It is very sleazy.

Why would Starmer and his wife who are millionaires in their own right with hundred's of thousands of pounds wage a year need someone else to pay for their clothing, it is very weird to me and shameful, has the man no pride.

karmalady not asleep all the time - planning his new avuncular look.

Smileless2012

I'm not denying there's a problem Casdon but I would like a detailed account of the 22 billion black hole.

He can`t give that, he was asleep for most of his long relaxing time in opposition

LucyLocket55

He was voted in by a massive majority …. be careful what you wish for

Get real, 20% of the uk population is not a majority of voters

He will be out before long, to be replaced by another robot at the beck and call of the paymasters

I am surprised that KS has dropped by only 45 percent. I wonder just how much more he can drop? And still in power?

Nice if, one day, there was a real working man with a real working man’s priorities in power wouldn’t it? Someone who didn’t have to ‘prove’ they were ‘workers’ by citing their parenthood. Not particularly thinking of the KS, our bloke ,Albo, is the same. Sometimes I get sick of the whole lot of them, bunch of clowns.

This should sort it

Smileless2012

I'm not denying there's a problem Casdon but I would like a detailed account of the 22 billion black hole.

I believe the FT put in an information request to find the answer to this (I'm sure you know ergo your question Smileless).

They were incredulous to be told No, they are not able to release such info.

He had a law passed especially to cope with his large unusual pension.

No one else has that privilege.

MaizieD

biglouis

Perhaps less money being sent out of this country to fund various hopeless causes, groups and foreign wars would be a start.

Preventing the wealthy from sucking so much money out of the economy and hoarding it would be much more effective.

Kier is quite wealthy.

biglouis

Perhaps less money being sent out of this country to fund various hopeless causes, groups and foreign wars would be a start.

Preventing the wealthy from sucking so much money out of the economy and hoarding it would be much more effective.

Casdon

Why, what purpose would that serve? It’s a fact that we are deeper in debt than we have been since the early 1960s, what we need now is a robust plan to improve our position, not endless post-mortems.

The government isn't after reducing the 'debt'. It would be impossible to do that because they cannot unilaterally 'repay' everyone who has savings and investments with them. i.e government bond holders, premium bond holders and people with NSI savings accounts. The govt. can only 'repay' these people if they actually ask for their money to be returned to them. Which very few are going to do because their money is safer 'invested' in govt. bonds & savings vehicles than anywhere else as the govt will never default. It will always pay the agreed interest or the principle if repayment is requested. British governments have had 'debt' for centuries. It hasn't been a problem so long as the debt can be serviced. Which it can be as tge govt creates the money with which to service it.

What the govt. wants to do is to, quite unnecessarily, to reduce the 'deficit', which is the difference between incoming revenue and govt. spending. Unfortunately, taking money out of the economy by cutting spending will make our current situation much worse.

Perhaps less money being sent out of this country to fund various hopeless causes, groups and foreign wars would be a start.

Why, what purpose would that serve? It’s a fact that we are deeper in debt than we have been since the early 1960s, what we need now is a robust plan to improve our position, not endless post-mortems.

I'm not denying there's a problem Casdon but I would like a detailed account of the 22 billion black hole.

Smileless2012

I've no idea Doodledog just as I've no idea if the 22 billion black hole is true, or just for the gullible to absorb.

The national debt – the sum total of every deficit – rose by 4.3 percentage points during the year to August 2024, to 100% of GDP, meaning an overall debt pile equal in size to the annual value of everything produced in the economy. Of course there’s a problem.

Where are people behaving in a gullible fashion?

What are the ‘newly addressed facts’?

Your comments have shocked me Doodledog and saddened me too.

Why would you call people gullible?

What of any of the newly addressed facts do you think actually arn't, and how are people behaving in a gullible fashion?