Oops! Sir Keir drops a massive 45 points in the opinion polls.

It’s wet, dark and damp. Better do something useful Cossy …..

ronib

Don’t have any options Cossy - one woman can’t change the world….

I guess at this point, none of us have many options. Enjoy your day, hope it’s not as wet as here!

ronib

Cossy it’s not cash that Musk brings but knowledge as a serial entrepreneur. Although why he would be interested in helping us is another matter.

Maybe that’s the “fear”

I don’t see he has anything to gain.

I do respect his financial acumen and his huge achievements but there’s just something about him. I feel the same about Lord Sugar.

Cossy it’s not cash that Musk brings but knowledge as a serial entrepreneur. Although why he would be interested in helping us is another matter.

Don’t have any options Cossy - one woman can’t change the world….

ronib

*Cossy*. That’s a shame too but Musk could have helped revive manufacturing here and we chose not to ask him. So how serious are we about manufacturing?

Maybe it’s simply a matter of trust? That’s just as important as ploughing (much needed) cash into our country.

ronib

I tried very hard to put my prejudices aside when KS came to power. So be it I said. I genuinely gave him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe the country will turn the corner now etc. It’s important to have a working economy and blah…..

Now I won’t even turn on my tv to watch the news. I did pick up on Elon Musk refusing to engage with the UK. So much for our global influence and trade. There’s something a bit weird do we think?

It’s been 3 months, for goodness sake give the LP a chance!

Cossy. That’s a shame too but Musk could have helped revive manufacturing here and we chose not to ask him. So how serious are we about manufacturing?

ronib

Elon Musk is going to continue using his clout against the left wing. We know this.
Shame that we couldn’t get over ourselves and use his undoubted skill set to get this country manufacturing or just plain making money.

I think it’s more of a shame that previous govts, from all sides, allowed manufacturing to “die” in our country and rely solely on invisible exports such as financial services

Elon Musk is going to continue using his clout against the left wing. We know this.
Shame that we couldn’t get over ourselves and use his undoubted skill set to get this country manufacturing or just plain making money.

Casdon

It is not all about money ronib. He doesn’t pay his tax in the UK, does he? Even if he did it wouldn’t change my opinion of him and the way he runs his business. What he does do is use his financial clout to behave irresponsibly in trying to influence politics worldwide. If you find that acceptable, that’s your opinion. In my opinion that is very wrong.

I completely agree! Some of his comments and attitude on X and his apparent allegiance to Trump is enough for me not to want him influencing anything in our own country.

Mollygo

Indoctrinated to defend KS whatever he does maybe?

I genuinely don’t think those of us who voted for the Labour Party are blindsided, indoctrinated, brainwashed or in any way unaware of any of Starmer’s shortcoming or faults

He is a human, like the rest of us.

In common with many LP supporters I’m saddened and disappointed by some of their actions.

I don’t like the way the WFA has been withdrawn, but in principle I agree it shouldn’t be universally paid.

There are other more minor things with which I don’t agree, however I’m still optimistic that given time the LP will act positively for the country as a whole, not just cronies and the rich.

Casdon okay

Doodledog isn’t Musk a highly successful entrepreneur?
One son has just started working for an entrepreneur after a gruesome experience with a startup company. Some people just have a knack of making profits and others don’t. If Musk had been willing to open a car factory here as suggested in talks with Sunak, we should welcome him. We need people like Musk to dig us out of all the black holes Reeves keeps talking about. A hole filler?

It is not all about money ronib. He doesn’t pay his tax in the UK, does he? Even if he did it wouldn’t change my opinion of him and the way he runs his business. What he does do is use his financial clout to behave irresponsibly in trying to influence politics worldwide. If you find that acceptable, that’s your opinion. In my opinion that is very wrong.

Why do we need Musk?

Casdon his money making record speaks for itself. As does ours ….

That we need him more than he needs us?

Casdon what exactly am I wrong about this time?

ronib

Casdon Elon Musk can afford for X to fail. DH pointed out that Elon Musk is right wing so he won’t want to be involved with UK government initiatives.
We need him more than he needs us am tempted to say?

I think you’re wrong in saying that ronib, but no doubt there are as many opinions as there are Gransnetters.

Casdon Elon Musk can afford for X to fail. DH pointed out that Elon Musk is right wing so he won’t want to be involved with UK government initiatives.
We need him more than he needs us am tempted to say?

This is a US site, but reputable. It shows the drop in use in the UK and EU as well as USA.
www.socialmediatoday.com/news/x-formerly-twitter-losing-users-in-the-us-and-uk/727842/#:~:text=In%20its%20most%20recent%20report,may%20be%20lifted%20this%20week).

He put the UK into a position where his presence was untenable. It certainly isn’t, and shouldn’t be all about money. He has a malign influence which is much bigger than just our involvement with him too in my opinion.

Well put like that…. But excluding the richest man in the world might be counterproductive if we’re trying to make a wealthy country? How did we get to this position?

Do you think there’s something weird about not inviting a powerful, irresponsible weirdo who actively encouraged riots in the UK with a view to creating civil war here ronib? Sorry, but he can stick his global empire up his a..e as far as I’m concerned.