Will Netanyahu take us all down with him?

maddyfour

^Israeli government is committing genocide and now starting on Lebanon ^

Do you actually read the news?
Lebanon have been firing rockets into Israel for months! To use your words, Lebanon, or more precisely Hezbollah started on Israel.
They are firing rockets into Israel now as I write. One of our Israeli Gransnetters has just written as much.

Yup, I am here!
No genocide.
Israel is aiming to take down Hezbollah, not Lebanon.
Feels like some people on here just don't understand the situation.
Hezbollah have been firing rockets into Israel since October 8th (in support of their friends in Gaza who committed the October 7th massacre).
Israel is finally putting an end to it.
We want to get our citizens back to their homes in the north.
Hezbollah are a curse on Lebanon.
Look how many Lebanese and other Arab states are praising Israel for taking down Nasrallah!
Are you on the side of these terror organizations?
Surely not?

Oreo

Thanks Rekarie 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Yes, thanks Rekarie. So true all you wrote!

I feel their joy. Re headline in The Telegraph.

Allsorts

How can anyone justify killing. Israel wasn’t interested in peace. I think the ordinary people are, it’s these leaders playing chess with peoples lives got power. We as a country should leave the Middle East to sort their own problems out, we are too quick to interfere. I’m sorry for the people of Israel and of course Palestine who haven’t the money or might of Israel. It will rebound on them

How can Hamas justify killing 30,000+ of the people they are trying to help?.
Defending yourself is understandable but deliberately starting a war knowing that 20 times as many of your civilians are going to die compared with your adversary

In terms of interfering and our involvement, at the moment the West is heavily involved: the people in Gaza are only alive because of massive international support: and huge military support comes from Western Countries mainly the USA for Israel.

How can anyone justify killing. Israel wasn’t interested in peace. I think the ordinary people are, it’s these leaders playing chess with peoples lives got power. We as a country should leave the Middle East to sort their own problems out, we are too quick to interfere. I’m sorry for the people of Israel and of course Palestine who haven’t the money or might of Israel. It will rebound on them

Too many children have been killed or maimed over the last year. Whatever else is going on they are totally innocent. At some point all sides will have to talk to each other, now or in a decades time. No one will be safer, or be able to sleep more soundly until peace is negotiated.

Did you watch the BBC 2 documentary on Thursday Kalm?
You might be able to see the situation is much more complicated than you believe.

Netanyahu and his cabinet are criminals. They cannot give a number on how many innocent deaths are permissible. Nuremberg showed how bad leaders cannot evade the judicial process. The west’s crocodile tears talk about the violence stopping yet the criminal Israeli govt gets weapons that convert organic matter to vapour. That is a tactic as the deceased cannot be identified.

Chocolatelovinggran

I'm not taking sides. In answer to the poster's question, yes, I think that he might.

Hope being members of NATO that will be a deterrent.

I'm not taking sides. In answer to the poster's question, yes, I think that he might.

Oreo

I do defend Israel, they are being attacked by two different terrorist groups both of which are embedded in their countries political/ government life.
Do you show regret for all the Israeli deaths on October 7th and the hostages? For the thousands of Israelis forced out of their homes by Lebanese rockets?
Saying you have ‘no time’ for Hezbollah or Hamas doesn’t cut it IMO.
There have to be a few people who support Israel on here and I’m one of them.
Now, you have the opposite viewpoint as is your right but don’t expect me to apologise for mine.

I’m with you (and others) on this Oreo.
Seems sides are taken - even on GN.

Israeli government is committing genocide and now starting on Lebanon

Do you actually read the news?
Lebanon have been firing rockets into Israel for months! To use your words, Lebanon, or more precisely Hezbollah started on Israel.
They are firing rockets into Israel now as I write. One of our Israeli Gransnetters has just written as much.

Two good posts David49.
We will all suffer if Hamas and Hezbollah are able to succeed.

Wyllow3

If international efforts fail to stop the slaughter and more and more people flee the region biglouis where do you think they are going to go? Like it or not, we are all affected by what happens in the wider world and have to take part in it.

The end game for Hamas is to rule Israel in which case all the Jews will leave, where will they go, that will be a real Exodus, 7 million plus, biblical reference will be insignificant.

Hamas cannot be allowed to prevail.

Babs03

I have said many times that the loss of Israeli lives is a tragedy. The loss of any life is a tragedy. I am not against ordinary Israelis, many of whom despise Netanyahu, I am against how the Israeli government is committing genocide and now starting on Lebanon.
Wars are not fought like this, there are other ways to fight an enemy. Already more civilians in Gaza have been killed than have been killed by Russia in the Ukraine in a much longer war. This is annihilation.

You are quite correct “wars are not fought like this” you don’t use your own people as human shields, you don’t base your command centers in hospitals and schools, you don’t start a war knowing tens of thousands of your own civilians were going to die.
We now have Hamas totally defeated militarily holding several million civilians hostage, the Gaza war could end today if Hamas surrendered. No they want thousands more in Lebanon to die, They know Israel will fight that was entirely predictable and it will continue.

maddyfour

Oreo

I do defend Israel, they are being attacked by two different terrorist groups both of which are embedded in their countries political/ government life.
Do you show regret for all the Israeli deaths on October 7th and the hostages? For the thousands of Israelis forced out of their homes by Lebanese rockets?
Saying you have ‘no time’ for Hezbollah or Hamas doesn’t cut it IMO.
There have to be a few people who support Israel on here and I’m one of them.
Now, you have the opposite viewpoint as is your right but don’t expect me to apologise for mine.

I support Israel too, for all the reasons mentioned by Oreo, and I’m not going to apologise for it either. Israel is surrounded by enemies who wish to wipe it off the face of the earth. Of course they’ll defend themselves and their tiny country.

Totally agree,too.

Oreo

I do defend Israel, they are being attacked by two different terrorist groups both of which are embedded in their countries political/ government life.
Do you show regret for all the Israeli deaths on October 7th and the hostages? For the thousands of Israelis forced out of their homes by Lebanese rockets?
Saying you have ‘no time’ for Hezbollah or Hamas doesn’t cut it IMO.
There have to be a few people who support Israel on here and I’m one of them.
Now, you have the opposite viewpoint as is your right but don’t expect me to apologise for mine.

I support Israel too, for all the reasons mentioned by Oreo, and I’m not going to apologise for it either. Israel is surrounded by enemies who wish to wipe it off the face of the earth. Of course they’ll defend themselves and their tiny country.

Reading but not commenting, maybe others.

No point in talking more as we have opposing views and seem to be the only ones on here tonight.

I have said many times that the loss of Israeli lives is a tragedy. The loss of any life is a tragedy. I am not against ordinary Israelis, many of whom despise Netanyahu, I am against how the Israeli government is committing genocide and now starting on Lebanon.
Wars are not fought like this, there are other ways to fight an enemy. Already more civilians in Gaza have been killed than have been killed by Russia in the Ukraine in a much longer war. This is annihilation.

I do defend Israel, they are being attacked by two different terrorist groups both of which are embedded in their countries political/ government life.
Do you show regret for all the Israeli deaths on October 7th and the hostages? For the thousands of Israelis forced out of their homes by Lebanese rockets?
Saying you have ‘no time’ for Hezbollah or Hamas doesn’t cut it IMO.
There have to be a few people who support Israel on here and I’m one of them.
Now, you have the opposite viewpoint as is your right but don’t expect me to apologise for mine.

Oreo

Do Lebanon and Hezbollah apologise for any Israeli deaths or for raining down rockets on Israel forcing thousands to leave their homes, and all done with no provocation from Israel?
Of course they don’t.
Israel are doing their best to be precise which is why they used the exploding pagers, as they were only given to Hezbollah operatives.
Am sure that they regret civilian casualties just as am sure that Hezbollah don’t.

I wasn't suggesting Hezbollah should apologise, I was trying to say that you might have started off your usual defence of the Israel by at least showing some regret for the loss of life today regardless or your or my opinions.
And as you probably already know, rockets fired into Israel are deflected by state of the art anti missile technology, just as they use state of the art weaponry against Gaza and now Lebanon who do not have this protection or weaponry.
Israel is the aggressor. I have no time for Hamas or Hezbollah either but nobody has the fire power or the blood lust that Israel has right now.
Lebanon will look like Gaza soon, thousands will die, and people will still say Israel has a right to self defence. Fact is they have all the defences. It is the poor sods in Gaza and Lebanon who need self defence.

I’m sure Beirut scenes are genuine, much of Gaza was staged for propaganda and the BBC did note that it could not be verified but broadcast it anyway.

It’s a tragedy what has happened in Gaza and now Lebanon it’s not going to achieve anything, thousands more are going to die and Israel will win or at least reach a stalemate without any changes. Then in 10 or 20 yrs time it will all start again,

Do Lebanon and Hezbollah apologise for any Israeli deaths or for raining down rockets on Israel forcing thousands to leave their homes, and all done with no provocation from Israel?
Of course they don’t.
Israel are doing their best to be precise which is why they used the exploding pagers, as they were only given to Hezbollah operatives.
Am sure that they regret civilian casualties just as am sure that Hezbollah don’t.