Will Netanyahu take us all down with him?

growstuff

David49

Allira

Kalm

Who said anything about muslims or arabs, some of those murdered in occupied Palestine have Christian, american and atheists.

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Do you know what the definition of Arab is?

Many Arabs are Christian.
They could also be American.
Or even atheist.

It’s not the Christian Arabs that are attacking Israel.

Christians in Lebanon don't identify as Arabs.

I didn't state Lebanon.

There are millions of Christian Arabs in the Middle East alone.

David49

Allira

Kalm

Who said anything about muslims or arabs, some of those murdered in occupied Palestine have Christian, american and atheists.

🤔

Do you know what the definition of Arab is?

Many Arabs are Christian.
They could also be American.
Or even atheist.

It’s not the Christian Arabs that are attacking Israel.

Christians in Lebanon don't identify as Arabs.

The only way to defeat terrorism is to take away the root cause of the grievances that cause it. Bombing civilians will only ever create more terrorists.

I have always felt, since a child, in my family's upbringing, post WW2, that Jewish people had a right to a haven.

I've made those thoughts and beginning clear on past GN discussions on Israel, and why I felt I could not give 100% backing on some aspects of Israeli governance as time went on.

I do not feel that to criticise a current leader, or to ask difficult questions, is to make me anti-semitic. I am aware that there are Jewish people who ask the same questions, who are dissenting voices, and they are not "anti-semitic". Just differing opinions

I find it interesting that some heap so much blame on Israel. Of course they’re careful with their words so as not to be labelled anti semites and the op is wrong to state anyone disagreeing with Netanyahu’s actions at the start of this were labelled as such.

Watching the BBC programme on the massacre at the music festival it brought home the way the Israelis have to live. Bomb shelters dotted along the road sides in the same way we have bus shelters. Everyone knowing the drill - when the rockets come lay flat on the floor.

This is their life, day in, day out and has been for years. Rockets fired into the country daily. They aren’t fireworks! Young people hunted down like animals by grinning, blood thirsty sickos. All in the name of Islam. That’s what they were shouting as they set off on their rampage - “this is for Islam”.

As it’s their avowed intention to wipe every Jew off the face of the earth (not before raping the women and girls though - funny they aren’t that repulsed by Jews) I find myself more and more feeling the same way about them.

MayBe70 has just explained why I am against Netanyahu. How many times has he pulled back from a hostage exchange truce, because the 'hard right' threaten to take down the government? If he was no longer in charge, he would be facing prosecution. I believe that he thinks it is more important to save himself, than the remaining hostages. Being against Netanyahu is not being anti-semitic.
Now everything has escalated.
And, as Wyllow3 asks, why are the 'settlers' causing aggression in the West Bank?

Wyllow3

What does he intend as the ending of the war in Gaza? At the moment, 1.9 million out of 2 million are displaced and relying solely on International aid.

That is imposed on Gaza by Hamas, if they surrendered life could begin to be rebuilt, as long a Hamas remain active Gaza will suffer.
As long as the majority of countries support a terrorist group Gaza will suffer.

What does he intend as the ending of the war in Gaza? At the moment, 1.9 million out of 2 million are displaced and relying solely on International aid.

I don’t have a problem with Israel defending itself. But I do have a problem with the person leading them and the motivation behind a lot of what he does, or more importantly doesn’t do. For one thing he has always been against the two state solution and his grip on power depends on extreme people in his government. And the fact that if the war ends he faces imprisonment himself. This is a recipe for disaster for everyone and all sides.

I'm concerned at the increasing occupation of the West Bank which is not a defensive action? They seem to be forgotten.

The aim of Iran is extreme Iranian style government across the entire Middle East, Hamas, Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations are simply fighters for that aim. It’s not just Israel Egypt , Jordan, Saudi, even Turkey spends a lot on military to counter that threat, It’s Iran that is the aggressor.

Iran funds and arms the terrorist groups to do the fighting for them.

David49

Allira

Kalm

Who said anything about muslims or arabs, some of those murdered in occupied Palestine have Christian, american and atheists.

🤔

Do you know what the definition of Arab is?

Many Arabs are Christian.
They could also be American.
Or even atheist.

It’s not the Christian Arabs that are attacking Israel.

Kalm's post was confusing.

Allira

Kalm

Who said anything about muslims or arabs, some of those murdered in occupied Palestine have Christian, american and atheists.

🤔

Do you know what the definition of Arab is?

Many Arabs are Christian.
They could also be American.
Or even atheist.

It’s not the Christian Arabs that are attacking Israel.

Kalm

Who said anything about muslims or arabs, some of those murdered in occupied Palestine have Christian, american and atheists.

🤔

Do you know what the definition of Arab is?

Many Arabs are Christian.
They could also be American.
Or even atheist.

Philippa60

maddyfour

Israeli government is committing genocide and now starting on Lebanon

Do you actually read the news?
Lebanon have been firing rockets into Israel for months! To use your words, Lebanon, or more precisely Hezbollah started on Israel.
They are firing rockets into Israel now as I write. One of our Israeli Gransnetters has just written as much.

Yup, I am here!
No genocide.
Israel is aiming to take down Hezbollah, not Lebanon.
Feels like some people on here just don't understand the situation.
Hezbollah have been firing rockets into Israel since October 8th (in support of their friends in Gaza who committed the October 7th massacre).
Israel is finally putting an end to it.
We want to get our citizens back to their homes in the north.
Hezbollah are a curse on Lebanon.
Look how many Lebanese and other Arab states are praising Israel for taking down Nasrallah!
Are you on the side of these terror organizations?
Surely not?

How many Arab states are praising Israel? My impression is that most Arab states are saying very little.

www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/arab-world-split-reactions-killing-hezbollah-chief-nasrallah-2024-09-29/

Kalm

Who said anything about muslims or arabs, some of those murdered in occupied Palestine have Christian, american and atheists.

Plenty of Christians and foreign nationals in Lebanon.

Oreo

Terrorists and extremists are rarely sensible tho.

I'm not sure the Israel actions are sensible. How many little boys and girls are growing up in a state of horror in Gaza and Lebanon? Are they going to be peaceful neighbours in 15 to 20 years? They are being brutalised and I think there will be a price to pay in the future.

Who said anything about muslims or arabs, some of those murdered in occupied Palestine have Christian, american and atheists.

Oreo

If the (reduced) leadership of Hezbollah in Lebanon had any sense they would back down now and maybie live to fight another day.
The other sensible option is to ask for a ceasefire and in return they will manage to get the ( more than reduced!) hamas to hand back any hostages still alive to Israel.

The AMEN was meant for this one...

Oreo

Terrorists and extremists are rarely sensible tho.

AMEN to that, dear Oreo

Terrorists and extremists are rarely sensible tho.

If the (reduced) leadership of Hezbollah in Lebanon had any sense they would back down now and maybie live to fight another day.
The other sensible option is to ask for a ceasefire and in return they will manage to get the ( more than reduced!) hamas to hand back any hostages still alive to Israel.

"I think it's seeing all those innocents caught up in this because terrorist groups use them as human shields which is so upsetting."
Completely agree, Allira.
It is awful to see innocent people being treated like human shields by these evil terrorists.
I weep for any innocent people caught up in this, especially children. They are not to blame!
I think analyzing the situation and understanding who these terrorists are is important.
They don't just want to attack Israel!
Hezbollah, Hamas and Iran want to attack the West too....

Are you on the side of these terror organizations?
Surely not?

I think it's seeing all those innocents caught up in this because terrorist groups use them as human shields which is so upsetting. It leads to skewed thinking.

These groups are a threat to the freedoms we all enjoy.

petra

I feel their joy. Re headline in The Telegraph.

Ordinary people in so many countries do not want to live under the yoke of these extreme oppressors.

Ordinary people the world over want peace, stability and freedom.