Anniversary of Israeli massacre

lixy

david49 ‘it’s up to Hamas to leave and let the Palestinians form their own administration overseen by Israel’

I have no idea how it could be accomplished in the current awful circumstances, but maybe Palestinians would like a say in their own future - an election? My mind is reeling at the very thought of the logistics but how else will there be an agreed spokesperson for people who live in Gaza?

Before elections security has got to be established to do that Palestinians have to accept defeat in the same way Germany did in 1945.
Hamas has to be rejected in the same way as the Nazis were, Germany was destroyed in WW2 but was rebuilt and thrives Gaza can do the same

david49 ‘it’s up to Hamas to leave and let the Palestinians form their own administration overseen by Israel’

I have no idea how it could be accomplished in the current awful circumstances, but maybe Palestinians would like a say in their own future - an election? My mind is reeling at the very thought of the logistics but how else will there be an agreed spokesperson for people who live in Gaza?

Oreo

Hamas could agree to anything today, and of course negotiations will take place.It may even happen as they must be so demoralised and fragmented now.
Ministers in Israel will come to an agreement with each other even if they all have their own ideas/ disagreements.

I would not expect any deal that leaves Hamas in power in Gaza to be acceptable there will just be no trust. Israel has won the war, it’s up to Hamas to leave and let Palestinians form their own administration overseen by Israel.

Anything else will just prolong the misery in Gaza.

Thank you for that video (used option of watching it on U Tube)

www.channel4.com/news/israels-relentless-pounding-of-northern-gaza

@foxie
It looks like it.

"Far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir said that Israel "will encourage the voluntary transfer of all Gazan citizens." Western diplomats told Haaretz that Israel has not done enough to quiet concerns that it is acting to remove the entire civilian population from northern Gaza. "
Haaretz today

Is this the endgame?

Wyllow3

Netanyahu would have to pull back from the current policy of clearing Northern Gaza entirely - he has ordered people to leave and is blocking aid.

Haaretz raises the issue of possible settlement there.
www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/2024-10-21/ty-article/netanyahus-party-is-clearing-the-path-to-settling-gaza/00000192-ab77-d5ff-ad92-bf77a9680000

It matters a great deal to know what "end plans" there are and what different people in Israel believe to be best especially within the war cabinet.

Totally agree.

Netanyahu would have to pull back from the current policy of clearing Northern Gaza entirely - he has ordered people to leave and is blocking aid.

Haaretz raises the issue of possible settlement there.
www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/2024-10-21/ty-article/netanyahus-party-is-clearing-the-path-to-settling-gaza/00000192-ab77-d5ff-ad92-bf77a9680000

It matters a great deal to know what "end plans" there are and what different people in Israel believe to be best especially within the war cabinet.

Hamas could agree to anything today, and of course negotiations will take place.It may even happen as they must be so demoralised and fragmented now.
Ministers in Israel will come to an agreement with each other even if they all have their own ideas/ disagreements.

I sent a link about Gallant is in the Jerusalem post. Is further up the thread.
And many western leaders including Biden are now pushing for Netanyahu to agree to a ceasefire after the killing of Sinwar.
And of course Hamas and Hezbollah would have to lay down arms and release the hostages but that won’t happen until they broker a deal round the table with Netanyahu probably in Qatar or Egypt.
Is no good just expecting Hamas etc to initiate this by releasing the hostages because the IDF will still be subjecting Gaza to crushing bomb attacks which would just kill the hostages immediately.
There has to be a negotiated ceasefire.

Had a look at the Jerusalem Post reference from above, it does seem pertinent as to ways forward in Gaza

"Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s talk of “total victory” over Hamas is “nonsense,” Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said during a classified meeting with the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee in Tel Aviv on Monday, according to Likud MK Tally Gotliv, who was present at the meeting.

Gotliv said she was “shocked” by Gallant’s statement and called on the prime minister to fire him.

Gallant’s comment came as part of his argument in favor of a hostage deal. According to a defense ministry statement, he told the committee members that recent military successes had opened the window for a hostage deal, whose price the defense system could live with

Babs03

If Netanyahu is interested in releasing the hostages the death of Yahya Sinwar head of Hamas is seen as a turning point with a chance to call a ceasefire on all sides and negotiate for their release and bring much needed aid into Gaza to prevent further starvation and disease.
As the link I sent shows Gallant and others close to Netanyahu are growing impatient with his need to carry on with the war when significant progress in eliminating the enemy has been made at a huge humanitarian cost.
But Netanyahu isn’t for turning.

How do you know, or is that just something you’ve read?
In any case BT isn’t holding any hostages so can’t release them.
You mean if hamas are interested in releasing the hostages.
Hamas could agree today to return them and then there could be some chance of a peace agreement with hamas also laying down its arms.

Babs03

Grany

Thousands like this children looking after children

There are no words Grany, and whatever words you employ will fall on deaf ears.
Am afraid sone lives are just less important than others.
😢

A lot of what Grany says should fall on deaf ears!
What is said about Keir Starmer and our government particularly.
Talk about propaganda for hamas and hezbollah, unbelievable!

If Netanyahu is interested in releasing the hostages the death of Yahya Sinwar head of Hamas is seen as a turning point with a chance to call a ceasefire on all sides and negotiate for their release and bring much needed aid into Gaza to prevent further starvation and disease.
As the link I sent shows Gallant and others close to Netanyahu are growing impatient with his need to carry on with the war when significant progress in eliminating the enemy has been made at a huge humanitarian cost.
But Netanyahu isn’t for turning.

m.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/article-814414

Babs03

Grany

Thousands like this children looking after children

There are no words Grany, and whatever words you employ will fall on deaf ears.
Am afraid sone lives are just less important than others.
😢

I am afraid that this may be true Grany. I’ve seen the extremely upsetting video you mentioned, featuring posts on TikTok by IDF soldiers.

I didn’t even bother to post a link on here because it’s compiled by AlJazeera which will immediately mean that it’s negated by some posters.

However for those who want to see it check out “Investigating war crimes in Gaza.” AlJazeera Investigations.

Just a question. Theoretical of course. If a terrorist organisation was embedded in a western country and attacking a neighbouring country do we suppose the same tactics to eliminate them would be employed??

Innocents on both sides of these terrible wars are suffering and in fear we can see from Grany and maddy. For every terrible story from one POV we get another from an alternative POV.

Yes, I caught that news David: but also on Saturday bombing deaths in northern Gaza with no ID'd Hamas target. (I check the BBC newsfeed each morning). The Israeli regime is forcing civilians to evacuate homes in the north of Gaza and cutting off relief supplies. Looks like permanent occupation plans to me, but it only fuels more anger.

I do sometimes wonder if we are waiting to see what the result of the election in the USA is, since the majority of Israel's support comes from there.

Babs03

Grany

Thousands like this children looking after children

There are no words Grany, and whatever words you employ will fall on deaf ears.
Am afraid sone lives are just less important than others.
😢

Am afraid some lives are just less important than others

On this I agree when the lives in question are terrorists like Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis etc….

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr54y0qplgvo

Grany

Thousands like this children looking after children

There are no words Grany, and whatever words you employ will fall on deaf ears.
Am afraid sone lives are just less important than others.
😢

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Today Israel bombed Hezbolahs bank in Lebanon where all t money from Iran that sounds like a legitimate target to me.

Gosh!