Anniversary of Israeli massacre

@oreo hence I said ‘you and most Israelis’ otherwise I would have just said ‘most Israelis’. Though admittedly that could be wrong inasmuch as many Israelis probably don’t agree with what Netanyahu is doing.

Babs03

@david you are wrong, you will disagree if course and I fully expect you to, but Iran’s expansionist tendencies are limited to groups in other countries fighting against Israel/the US. Iran is on its knees economically so any expansionist ideas they have, and like all regimes they probably have them , are impossible. Also the Iranian regime fears western allies being drawn into a war because its own population would rise up to get rid of the regime knowing western allies could help them. And Afghanistan is a mess, it can’t manage its own affairs let alone imagine expanding its ideology elsewhere.
The only country with expansionist tendencies in the region is Israel, intent upon expanding into Northern Gaza and Southern Lebanon.
The thing is the way you and most Israelis view this war is not the way the majority of people around the world view it. They see Israel - with its first world status, billions in the way of funds and state of the art weaponry, and a hardline leader/government - as the real aggressor in all of this and the only nation with expansionist tendencies being played out in real time.
Nobody disputes that Israel needs to defend its people, but with a dome of iron and an army that is the largest and best armed in the region as well as nukes I worry more about those it is pounding into the dust who have no defences.

‘You and most Israelis’ ?! As far as I can see David49 is a British citizen.
Also your opinion that most people in other countries (which countries?) view it in a different way is arguably wrong.
Arab countries would of course or any other mainly Muslim country.

No one here is supporting dictatorship or think Hamas are the ‘good guys’. That’s a ridiculous statement.

@David have never accused you of supporting genocide so please don’t say that I support a dictatorship and think Hamas are the good guys.
If you can find a comment in which I have said this then feel free to supply it.
That was below the belt.

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I don’t know about who sang what, but perhaps like Lili Marlene underneath her lamppost by the barrack gate, both sides in ww2 sung that, and stille Nacht /silent night was sung in ww1 by both sides too. That time they all sang together across the front.

The British officers forced their troops to stop the fraternising with
threats of being shot if they didn’t stop, and the war continued.for another 4 years.

Why was it sung during the marches through London, they certainly were not supportive of Israel.

That police officer who said of a Jew who was watching the march He is openly Jewish ‘

This is why compromise is so difficult, yet peace impossible without it.

Anniebach

Israelites sing ‘From The River To The Sea’ ?

Some do.The Likud Party (Netanyahu)

"The founding charter of Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party quotes “Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.” (wiki)

also

"The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)

a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party

I actually am not sure you are right about how 'most people' see Israel. Lots of vocal people protest but they arent necessarily representative of 'most people'. People tend to think their own beliefs are held by the majority then get a surprise when events (Brexit, Trump) show them otherwise.

Israelites sing ‘From The River To The Sea’ ?

madalene

^The only country with expansionist tendencies in the region is Israel^

Mmmm, sorry, don’t agree with that.

www.gov.uk/government/speeches/the-expansion-of-israeli-settlements-in-the-west-bank-is-wholly-unacceptable-and-illegal-uk-statement-at-the-un-security-council

The only country with expansionist tendencies in the region is Israel

Mmmm, sorry, don’t agree with that.

David that doesn't help resolve the problems in Gaza and the West Bank and the needs of the people there,

neither does it recognise the different feelings in Israel about whether the current regime is best serving its citizens. About putting more and more assets into war including its own young people.

Overall, how can some degree of peace be found

Imo we need to continue to address specifics and peace efforts.

@david you are wrong, you will disagree if course and I fully expect you to, but Iran’s expansionist tendencies are limited to groups in other countries fighting against Israel/the US. Iran is on its knees economically so any expansionist ideas they have, and like all regimes they probably have them , are impossible. Also the Iranian regime fears western allies being drawn into a war because its own population would rise up to get rid of the regime knowing western allies could help them. And Afghanistan is a mess, it can’t manage its own affairs let alone imagine expanding its ideology elsewhere.
The only country with expansionist tendencies in the region is Israel, intent upon expanding into Northern Gaza and Southern Lebanon.
The thing is the way you and most Israelis view this war is not the way the majority of people around the world view it. They see Israel - with its first world status, billions in the way of funds and state of the art weaponry, and a hardline leader/government - as the real aggressor in all of this and the only nation with expansionist tendencies being played out in real time.
Nobody disputes that Israel needs to defend its people, but with a dome of iron and an army that is the largest and best armed in the region as well as nukes I worry more about those it is pounding into the dust who have no defences.

Seems so

silverlining48

Hamas, or whatever comes next, will no be destroyed, what is happening in Gaza now will recruit more people to fight the Palestinian cause, so even if israel wants peace and I am not sure they do, they won’t get it. Having followed this story for decades I think Israel ultimately wants all of Palistine . It used to be termed living room.
The opportunity of peaceful coexistence was missed decades ago with Arafat leader of Fatah, who was treated with such disdain and derision by Israel. I can still see Arafat’s delight on that stage in 1992 when the peace accord was agreed in Norway and also remember the way he was treated by Israel before he died.
If I remember this stuff and have no connection with either Israel or Palestine then don’t think the Palestinians will ever forget.

Israel is just the start, the fundamentalists want to rule the whole region, all the moderate governments will fall one by one. States like Iran and Afghanistan do not tolerate any dissent Hamas is the same.

Do we really support that kind of government?.

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Iran just gets other countries and terrorists to do its dirty work by supplying them with endless bombs/missiles/arms.
Start looking at Iran with rose tinted glasses and you’ll accept anything.

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Hamas, or whatever comes next, will no be destroyed, what is happening in Gaza now will recruit more people to fight the Palestinian cause, so even if israel wants peace and I am not sure they do, they won’t get it. Having followed this story for decades I think Israel ultimately wants all of Palistine . It used to be termed living room.
The opportunity of peaceful coexistence was missed decades ago with Arafat leader of Fatah, who was treated with such disdain and derision by Israel. I can still see Arafat’s delight on that stage in 1992 when the peace accord was agreed in Norway and also remember the way he was treated by Israel before he died.
If I remember this stuff and have no connection with either Israel or Palestine then don’t think the Palestinians will ever forget.

David49 The tactics used by the British government, although necessary at the time, involved many young men losing their lives in both World Wars. White feathers and propaganda ‘Your country needs you’ meant that the government of the day had a steady supply of young men when normal lines of communication and diplomacy were ineffective. Young men seem very disposable to all regimes?

It’s all about using religion to control the population Hamas is telling the population if you die fighting it will send you to paradise so Hamas is no better than any power hungry dictator.
Iran and Afghanistan is the same and all the other regimes that use religion to impose strict control on the population

They are no different to the Nazis of WW2 they have to be destroyed

Root cause analysis ? Occupation? The trap here is for people to say “what about the jews ?” ….which I won’t because all the jews I have come across are against the Israeli genocide of Palestinians. The JVP in the USA are also to be applauded, as the “antisemitism” charge cannot be used. As an aside my last discussion with jewish person was about kosher and assisted dying….the religious commonality has more similarities than differences.

40000 + deaths not funny, the irony being the children (the ones not dead) still singing for freedom. As they say……go figure