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Sue Grey has resigned

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Jaxjacky Sun 06-Oct-24 13:51:46

Sir Keir Starmer said he wanted to "thank Sue for all the support she has given me", while in a statement Ms Gray said it had "become clear" in recent weeks that "intense commentary around my position risked becoming a distraction to the government's vital work of change".

Casdon Wed 09-Oct-24 12:23:18

I know Wales, both population and government, would like a more robust relationship with consultation, scheduled meetings and communication routes so that we are not back footed by changes being announced which affect us, but which there has been no consultation about. I can’t speak for Scotland or NI, but I’d imagine it’s important to them too. I don’t know if that’s what is in mind for Sue Gray, but I know it’s what we need.

maddyfour Tue 08-Oct-24 23:42:33

Thanks. Yes, all possible options.
I don’t know how already devolved areas will view it. That remains to be seen I guess.

Wyllow3 Tue 08-Oct-24 23:05:28

Its also part of L Party policy to see how far devolved regions would work (eg, leadership, and policy by Andy Burnham and other mayoral areas) - I'm presuming this is also part of the brief.

Allira Tue 08-Oct-24 22:50:09

maddyfour

What does anyone suppose she will do in that role?
Because, since I’ve only heard of that role the other day, I don’t know what it involves. Does anyone else?

Nope.
I expect they'll make it up as they go along.

Envoy:
someone who is sent as a representative from one government or organisation to another:

Will it go down well with devolved Governments? Diplomacy or interference?

Casdon Tue 08-Oct-24 19:18:48

There was also a lot of friction between the government and the other national governments and the civil servants working for them under the conservatives, with the latter complaining about lack of engagement, recognition or partnership working. I sincerely hope this new role will improve those relationships too.

MaizieD Tue 08-Oct-24 19:12:30

Before the GE Labour talked a lot about more devolution to the regions. Perhaps it was felt that someone was needed to co-ordinate initiatives...

maddyfour Tue 08-Oct-24 17:41:09

What does anyone suppose she will do in that role?
Because, since I’ve only heard of that role the other day, I don’t know what it involves. Does anyone else?

Allira Tue 08-Oct-24 17:34:49

Allsorts

Pity shes gone as she didn't do Labour any favours any more than she did Conservatives. Who will be lucky to get her next.

Sue Gray is now Envoy for the Nations and Regions which sounds very impressive.

Until yesterday the job did not even exist.
Gareth Lewis
Political editor, BBC Wales

Allsorts Tue 08-Oct-24 17:01:32

Pity shes gone as she didn't do Labour any favours any more than she did Conservatives. Who will be lucky to get her next.

Oreo Tue 08-Oct-24 16:54:26

Allira

LizzieDrip

Is it odd that Labour voters are commenting on the thread about the Tory leadership contest

Why would you consider that odd Alliraconfused

Lots of Conservative voters comment on threads about Labour MPs. It’s fine🤷‍♀️

It was in response to a post commenting how odd it is that Tory (and Reform) voters are on the thread criticising the Labour Government.

In fact I don't think it's odd at all.

I agree with you - it's fine!

It’s all good to discuss what we consider to be failings of anybody including the PM and cabinet as well as the shadow cabinet and any other political groups in Parliament.

Oreo Tue 08-Oct-24 16:51:37

Allira

Casdon

This isn’t new news Allira? Surely disillusionment is about things people didn’t know about before the election, not things that were already in the public domain?

I didn't know that until I was told at the weekend.

So it was new news.

I didn’t know either.Bet not many did.

Allira Tue 08-Oct-24 16:51:27

Fleurpepper

Makes total sense to employ people in key positions which a much Higher salary than PM. PM has very low salary when compared to other people in such key positions in business or finance.

But is it right that the PM's salary is relatively low?

Allira Tue 08-Oct-24 16:50:43

Wyllow3

I started the thread on the Conservative leadership as I have a genuine interest in getting a good opposition, a lively working parliament. Simple as that. It's at a crucial point, today it gets cut to 3 contestants, tomorrow 2.

That's absolutely fine.

I don't have a vote in the leadership contest, am not a member of any political party and am a tactical voter.

Allira Tue 08-Oct-24 16:49:07

LizzieDrip

^Is it odd that Labour voters are commenting on the thread about the Tory leadership contest^

Why would you consider that odd Alliraconfused

Lots of Conservative voters comment on threads about Labour MPs. It’s fine🤷‍♀️

It was in response to a post commenting how odd it is that Tory (and Reform) voters are on the thread criticising the Labour Government.

In fact I don't think it's odd at all.

I agree with you - it's fine!

Wyllow3 Tue 08-Oct-24 14:25:44

I started the thread on the Conservative leadership as I have a genuine interest in getting a good opposition, a lively working parliament. Simple as that. It's at a crucial point, today it gets cut to 3 contestants, tomorrow 2.

David49 Tue 08-Oct-24 13:34:27

LizzieDrip

^Is it odd that Labour voters are commenting on the thread about the Tory leadership contest^

Why would you consider that odd Alliraconfused

Lots of Conservative voters comment on threads about Labour MPs. It’s fine🤷‍♀️

I’ve got no comment on the Tory leadership because it’s party members that will determine the new leader, the same group that elected Johnson and Truss.
They would elect Johnson again tomorrow, they hated the “moderate” Sunak chosen by MPs. Judging by the extreme anti Labour propaganda in the press there is absolutely no indication they will choose a moderate this time.

LizzieDrip Tue 08-Oct-24 13:08:35

Is it odd that Labour voters are commenting on the thread about the Tory leadership contest

Why would you consider that odd Alliraconfused

Lots of Conservative voters comment on threads about Labour MPs. It’s fine🤷‍♀️

Fleurpepper Tue 08-Oct-24 13:06:23

Makes total sense to employ people in key positions which a much Higher salary than PM. PM has very low salary when compared to other people in such key positions in business or finance.

David49 Tue 08-Oct-24 12:59:56

heavenlyheath

They treat us like we are idiots

Those who believe the rubbish in the newspapers are idiots, it is simply Tory propaganda I hope Starmer holds the line and does what is needed to mend the economy.

That is not maintaining giveaways to Tory voters who have too much already.

MayBee70 Tue 08-Oct-24 12:57:17

Yes, I agree about needing a strong opposition. But one that has the intelligence not to oppose just for the sake of opposing. Something that Badenoch will imo do.

Casdon Tue 08-Oct-24 11:19:03

Allira

Is it odd that Labour voters are commenting on the thread about the Tory leadership contest?

🤔

No, a good opposition is in everybody’s interest, surely? Perhaps the difference is that we aren’t too sensitive when people point out that our posts aren’t relevant though, which is what happens in most debates, parry and counter parry is the norm.

heavenlyheath Tue 08-Oct-24 11:03:22

They treat us like we are idiots

Allira Tue 08-Oct-24 10:21:31

Is it odd that Labour voters are commenting on the thread about the Tory leadership contest?

🤔

Goldieoldie15 Tue 08-Oct-24 00:19:40

Once Rachel and Keir push off we might be all right . All they need to reconsider is the Rwanda plan. Great deterrent.

Allira Mon 07-Oct-24 23:12:22

Those of us who thought they should have a chance to bring some decency back into politics did not expect anything like this, so naturally we're disappointed.