The SNP are telling us there are 24 genders.

Jackiest

Rosie51 I think it is only an ego trip because we make it one. If it is accepted that men and women can all act and do the same things and we have the same expectations from both and treat both identically then the only thing they can gain is using the women's changing rooms then that is not really something they can argue for on its own.

Women and men can do most of the same things. Men can't have babies, and I strongly suspect that this is behind a lot of the problems.

For years, men dominated women - physically, financially, politically and in many other ways. Feminists' efforts have weakened this domination over the past 50 years, and women now are far less reliant on men than they used to be. Leaving emotional ties aside, women can bring up children without male input, and many no longer believe the spurious rationales for women being at home and men being 'providers'.

This means that men are stronger physically, but are no longer more powerful financially, and equality in education has made it clear that they are not intellectually superior either, but the clincher is that women can have babies and men can't. Put bluntly, and again leaving emotional ties aside, men can't be sure that they are bringing up only their own children. That is too much for some of them, so they are looking to reset the balance that made women subservient.

If they can infiltrate women's groups, women's spaces and women's lives they can weaken the bonds that strengthen women's lives.

If we no longer exist as a sex, we can't gather together without a male presence, and we don't have anywhere to call our own space, then we are less of a threat. If women can't cut out men by having sex with one another we are reliant on them there, too, unless we want to go back to a choice between marriage and a nunnery. If there are no reliable figures to show that women are suffering (because nobody knows what a woman is) and no language to describe the situation, then discussions are going to struggle, particularly as women can only meet with men present if they want to be.

They have played a very strategic game so far, relying on women's socialisation and general propensity to look for peaceful solutions to let them sneak up on us. They have harnessed slogans such as 'Be Kind' and persuaded people that transpeople are 'the most vulnerable group in society.

We are in Check, I think. If we don't want to reach Checkmate, we have to act quickly for the sake of our daughters and granddaughters.

Jackiest

Rosie51 I think it is only an ego trip because we make it one. If it is accepted that men and women can all act and do the same things and we have the same expectations from both and treat both identically then the only thing they can gain is using the women's changing rooms then that is not really something they can argue for on its own.

Let’s try applying that then, Jackiest.

Expectation

Neither males nor females will
lie about which sex they are,

nor hide that lie behind a socially constructed term,

nor use that lie to gain access to places reserved for the sex that they are not

nor use that lie to cheat in sport.

nor insist that have to lie and use vocabulary they know to be inaccurate

If we have those same expectations for both males and females and they agree to those expectations, it would be a start.

eazybee

As far as I am concerned people can call themselves what they want, as long as they do not attempt to force other people to accept their identification. It is when people are forced to accept these ridiculous definitions, 'he won't use my pronouns' that the trouble starts, and some unfortunate people are victimised and lose their jobs because of it.

That's part of the power trip. It's about compelling others to buy into your ideology, and policing their language, especially with the made up pronouns.

mae13 Let's see a trans man do all that! They would be screaming...... and there is a prime example of how confusion abounds. I think you're using trans man to denote a man who identifies as a woman, but in common usage a trans man is a woman who identifies as a man, who will have the ability to do all you list. Hence why we get those ridiculous headlines about 'man gives birth'.

Simple: women do puberty, menstruation,birth (optional), menopause.

Let's see a trans man do all that! They would be screaming......

Rosie51 I think it is only an ego trip because we make it one. If it is accepted that men and women can all act and do the same things and we have the same expectations from both and treat both identically then the only thing they can gain is using the women's changing rooms then that is not really something they can argue for on its own.

I agree eazybee if you must choose your own pronoun, don't complain if someone doesn't use it.

As far as I am concerned people can call themselves what they want, as long as they do not attempt to force other people to accept their identification. It is when people are forced to accept these ridiculous definitions, 'he won't use my pronouns' that the trouble starts, and some unfortunate people are victimised and lose their jobs because of it.

Only 24 genders! I think you'll find there are far more than that.
72 according to this website:
www.medicinenet.com/what_are_the_72_other_genders/article.htm

Jackiest

Maybe if the world was not so divided into male and female stereotypes and only divided where it really needed to be, such as changing rooms and similar areas there would not be such a demand for all these genders.

Oh I think there would be Jackiest it's an ego trip for so many, makes them feel special to tag themselves with an obscure label. It will pass eventually.
It started with the non binary which surely should have sufficed, but that got too mainstream so more had to be invented.

Jackiest

Maybe if the world was not so divided into male and female stereotypes and only divided where it really needed to be, such as changing rooms and similar areas there would not be such a demand for all these genders.

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Maybe if the world was not so divided into male and female stereotypes and only divided where it really needed to be, such as changing rooms and similar areas there would not be such a demand for all these genders.

Babs03

I think these people have an agender 😂

Will g eat my coat 🫣

😂 Will schoolchildren have gender lessons and be tested on all the different ones. It's just crazy.

*get my coat

I think these people have an agender 😂

Will g eat my coat 🫣

Not going anywhere, with iron man. It just struck me as odd.

I read bigender as big ender too!

I wonder how much it has cost to compile this list?

Oreo

I just think it’s a silly phrase Doodledog even it’s a PC one.
Males with or without penises are still men but can be called, indeed are called trans women.Still sounds better than women with penises in my book.

I am sure it was obvious to most that I was being facetious. Never mind.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

It’s a dog’s dinner isn’t it?
The SNP have better topics to address surely? The ferries debacle for one. The drugs crisis.
Talk about rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic (whilst getting paid for it too).

Agree wholeheartedly. And I object equally wholeheartedly to them spending money on this nonsense when there is so much else which needs addressing. 🤬🤬🤬

Rosie51

Mollygo

That would be allowing them their right to take away the proper meaning of woman-*adult human female*
Question
What’s the chemical element abbreviation for iron?
What’s the biological term for man?

Fe
Male

Not sure where you're going with this, probably just me.

Ironman?

Mollygo

That would be allowing them their right to take away the proper meaning of woman-*adult human female*
Question
What’s the chemical element abbreviation for iron?
What’s the biological term for man?

Fe
Male

Not sure where you're going with this, probably just me.

If we don't want to use the accurate term 'trans identified males' then can we use transwoman which is a noun that denotes such a male. Using separate words trans becomes an adjective to describe a woman just like short, red-haired etc and men can never be any type of woman.

It was deliberately set that way round because logically a transgender woman would be a woman who identified as a man, but the men wouldn't have got to use the word woman, and would have been trans men.

I just think it’s a silly phrase Doodledog even it’s a PC one.
Males with or without penises are still men but can be called, indeed are called trans women.Still sounds better than women with penises in my book.

Mollygo

That would be allowing them their right to take away the proper meaning of woman-*adult human female*
Question
What’s the chemical element abbreviation for iron?
What’s the biological term for man?

Fe?
XY?

Humans are Homo Sapiens

After reading this OP I'm beginning to think that some people should have the Sapiens part deleted from their definition.

Mollygo

That would be allowing them their right to take away the proper meaning of woman-*adult human female*
Question
What’s the chemical element abbreviation for iron?
What’s the biological term for man?

Adult human male?

Oreo

Can we not say ‘women with penises’ seeing that women don’t have penises.

🙄