How Tiresome, Silly Young Woman Protests At King Charles

Spot on Jaberwojpk

Ms Thorpe shouting that she did not want the King telling them what to do just made her arguments meaningless.

Her actions have been condemned by people from all sides, republicans as well as monarchists.

While it is true that the indigenous people have in the past been treated abysmally, what is also true is that Australia has been an independent country since 1901, when all the six colonies became one country, finally discarding all constitutional rights in 1986, except that they opted to retain the monarch as H of S. That being the case neither the King or his mother have/had any say whatsoever in the running of this country, therefore this individual was shouting at the wrong person. I'm sure the King wasn't fazed or offended in any way, probably rather sad truth to tell, but incapable of changing anything which surely this lady must understand? .At least the Suffergettes were aiming their campaign at the correct people, ie politicians not the then King! It is up to the Australian people whether they do or do not wish to have the King as their H of S, which the King completely acknowledges as of course he should. At the moment it would seem that the status quo is acceptable,but again that is up to the Australians and their government, nothing to do with the King or the UK. (sorry to disappoint Paddyann)

David49

Wyllow3

Yes David, the saddest thing is that this brutal stripping of centuries of a culture has left some Indigenous peoples in pockets of dependency. It's no surprise there is some shouting or "sit ins".

What I don’t understand is they can follow their traditional way of life if they wish, they can even do it with the benefit of decent housing, healthcare and education. Many dont seem to want that, what do they want.

Some people want to live their lives in the traditional ways of their ancestors. My cousin, who has worked with communities, has experienced the traditional way of living and, quite honestly, it would be a good lesson to us all for the sake of the future of our planet!

Other people want to live a modern Australian way of life, eg lawyer, insurance broker, policewoman, nursery nurse, teacher etc

Australia was built on injustice most suffered, the first migrants were convicts sent there for minor offences on a journey little better than slave transportation.

Very offensive OP.

Wyllow3

Yes David, the saddest thing is that this brutal stripping of centuries of a culture has left some Indigenous peoples in pockets of dependency. It's no surprise there is some shouting or "sit ins".

What I don’t understand is they can follow their traditional way of life if they wish, they can even do it with the benefit of decent housing, healthcare and education. Many dont seem to want that, what do they want.

And the point being ignored is that it is the Australian people who have voted against improved rights for indigenous people.

That was not the point of the referendum.

I think most Australians, including some Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders, voted No because they want to move towards a more cohesive and inclusive society and not more divisions.

Allira

^it’s not surprising that the recent vote to increase representation was lost^

If you are talking about the recent referendum, it was to change the Constitution and many Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people voted No as well, including Lidia Thorpe herself for, presumably, her own reasons.

It was because the terms of the referendum was felt by some not to give a fair or adequate voice to indigenous peoples.

"Lidia Thorpe has called for the voice referendum to be called off, arguing it is an “easy way to fake progress” for First Nations people without making any changes"

(BBC from 16th aug 2023)

Some of us do know about the Stolen Generations and about the British orphans sent out too, Wyllow. Surely everyone does? Australia has a brutal and shocking history and some of this was going on until recent years. I've met people working with those suffering the effects of those years too.

It doesn't alter the fact that Lidia Thorpe, as an ardent republican and a Senator, has the power to try to bring about change in a more effective and civilised way than her recent exhibitionist behaviour.

Comparing her to the Suffragettes is a non-sequitur because they did not have a voice in Parliament whereas she does.

And the point being ignored is that it is the Australian people who have voted against improved rights for indigenous people.
What happened in the past informs the future, and the present-day Australian people need to address the grievances practically. Shouting abuse at Heads of State won't improve the situation or convince the electorate to alter their minds, neither will constant reiteration of past grievances.
It is here and now that counts.
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Yes David, the saddest thing is that this brutal stripping of centuries of a culture has left some Indigenous peoples in pockets of dependency. It's no surprise there is some shouting or "sit ins".

it’s not surprising that the recent vote to increase representation was lost

If you are talking about the recent referendum, it was to change the Constitution and many Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people voted No as well, including Lidia Thorpe herself for, presumably, her own reasons.

Plenty of example in our own countries' history of needing to be shout to be heard.

Posters may not be aware that it was children of mixed heritage that were particularly singled out and were not only wrenched from their families but as babies forcibly removed from mothers in the hospital

"The evidence indicated that in numerous cases, children were brutally and forcibly removed from their parent or parents, possibly even from the hospital shortly after birth, when identified as mixed-race babies.

Aboriginal Protection Officers often made the judgement to remove certain children.

In some cases, families were required to sign legal documents to relinquish care to the state. In Western Australia, the Aborigines Act 1905 removed the legal guardianship of Aboriginal parents. It made all their children legal wards of the state, so the government did not require parental permission to relocate the mixed-race children to institutions"

and this went on until the 1970's

(source - wiki, Stolen Generations)

Australia not Australian!

Actually, not fat finger or autocorrect but I do need new reading glasses.

“But why deny that part of her heritage?
Which her English father says she does?”

There no denying there has been appalling treatment in the past but they are free to take advantage of their heritage now if they wish. Or they can integrate with the rest of the population, the problem is that countless millions is spent on support, yet the problem gets progressively worse. Much of the money meant for education and healthcare is spent on drink and drugs, with much of the younger generation much worse off.

Alice Spring used to be a thriving tourist destination, now it’s on its knees with riot police being called in to keep order, it’s not surprising that the recent vote to increase representation was lost

Allira

There have been acknowledgements of and apologies for the past, reparations have been made and most people have moved on. Australian is a multi-cultural society, opportunities are available to all as can be witnessed by the fact that Ms Thorpe herself is a Senator.

Indeed.

There have been acknowledgements of and apologies for the past, reparations have been made and most people have moved on. Australian is a multi-cultural society, opportunities are available to all as can be witnessed by the fact that Ms Thorpe herself is a Senator.

As Bluebelle said respectful and tactful discussion didn't get women the right to vote. Sometimes people have to shout to be heard.

When you haven’t been heard for over 200 years perhaps there is a need to shout a bit louder.

Well said @Eazybee

People these days will do anything for attention / to get on social media.

Publicity was not needed because anyone intelligent already knows the history of Australia. What is needed is respectful and tactful discussion.

Wyllow3

Allira

The aboriginal people have been treated atrociously and I can imagine the anger and distrust and sadness they feel

I don't think they all agree with her by any means.

I wouldn't except all to agree - and it doesn't matter she is part European.
What Bluebelle said.

But why deny that part of her heritage?
Which her English father says she does?

These words apply equally to people of indigenous backgrounds.

We don't know their journeys either. We too can "pause before judging, criticising or mocking others".

The failure in the referendum of 2023 to give the Indigenous peoples fuller political rights is the reason there's frustration and a concern that the political system as it stands will not deliver.

Another comment that sounds like Iam suggested
Edwardian or Victorian approach by the white empire builder about a stroppy native.

No, a twentieth century response to sheer bad manners in an attempt to gain publicity.

Good on Lidia I say.

"Another Aborigine protester has been making a fool of himself, and this one has been arrested apparently as he refused to move on"

Another comment that sounds like Iam suggested
Edwardian or Victorian approach by the white empire builder about a stroppy native.