Kaba

Stopping the gangs enrolling children into criminal lives might have saved this young man’s life.

Why are these gangs not being smashed by police- get them off our streets now. What happened is Karma he deserved it.

Kats2

Well they obviously kept MP Diane Abbot out of the loop with that information, she must regret saying he was shot by the police “while going about his daily business”. oh really!

Did Abbott really say that? Blimey.

I think less officers will accept fire arms training and who could blame them.

According to the firearms officer we know, with 20 years experience, morale in the firearms unit has never been lower.
That was from a conversation before this case.

Media pressure was used to name this officer and a judge stupidly agreed. He should face some consequences.

Agreed Op

I am so relieved for the jury themselves. How awful they would be feeling if they had found the officer guilty and then found out about Kaba's criminal history.

But it does prove that the trial was fair and the event judged on the facts of that particular incident and nothing else.

It’s right that there is an enquiry after any death involving the police as indeed is the case. It’s very important armed police who protect us in some of the most dangerous incidents , never over step their remit. However, I don’t think the police officers name should have been released especially after the acquittal. His life and that of his family are now in extreme danger. Our legal system has let him down! There is understandable distrust of the police from some members of the community but I too wonder if even the most ardent anti police campaigners would have reacted differently to this death if the facts and camera footage had been released immediately. I presume releasing the footage earlier was not possible. No one wins in this. Gang warfare and the violence perpetrated by the them, was ultimately the reason the police needed to stop the car.

jasper16

It has happened to a friend's son? So yes, it can happen to anybody?

Sorry, got it. Duh!

I am sorry for your friend, she/he must be devastated.

jasper16

It has happened to a friend's son? So yes, it can happen to anybody?

It has happened to a friend's son? So yes, it can happen to anybody?

jasper16

I suppose before it all unravelled, he was somebody's son, somebody's friend. A human being.

Well yes until the age of 13 when he became a bad lad running with the bad boys.

His parents must have been so surprised by his rap sheet.
Not.

jasper16

I suppose before it all unravelled, he was somebody's son, somebody's friend. A human being.

Yes, lovely boy, just unfortunate to be a leading member of a notorious vicious gang. It could happen to anyone's son.

Just like those terrorists on July 7th, they loved their Mums, loved football, etc 🤔

I suppose before it all unravelled, he was somebody's son, somebody's friend. A human being.

Those who live by the sword etc

The police officer made his decision to shoot based on the fact that Kaba's action in ramming the cars could have killed one or more of the police at the scene. If he had managed to ram the police cars aside he would have been driving very dangerously in an attempt to escape and likely to have crashed into other vehicles and/or people. He was a severe risk to the lives of others.

What would have happened had he managed to force his way through? As eazybeee says, as well as endangering the lives of the police officers, he could have killed other innocent drivers and pedestrians in his mad rush to get away.

He died as he lived.

eazybee

The identity of the driver was not important; the fact that he was dangerously out of control and a threat to the life of others was.

The police officer made his decision to shoot based on the fact that Kaba's action in ramming the cars could have killed one or more of the police at the scene. If he had managed to ram the police cars aside he would have been driving very dangerously in an attempt to escape and likely to have crashed into other vehicles and/or people. He was a severe risk to the lives of others.

Yes exactly. That is an accurate description of the facts and evidences that he absolutely followed his training for action in this type of incident.

As opposed to, in this thread, justifying the action/saying the action was taken because Kaba was a violent gun toting criminal when in fact the police officer didnt know that when he made what I believe was the correct decision to shoot.

Accuracy of the facts is really important because of future potential incidents and decisions being taken in light of this one.

Allira

Wyllow3

It ironical that the truth and details about Kaba' criminal past (and restraining order etc) were only able to be released after the trial.
Had they been immediately available after the shooting there might not have been the same levels of response.

It may have influenced the jury in a case which was bound to cause tensions in some communities.

Of course, had the case never been brought, the details could have been released and probably none of this would have happened.

Thats what I wondered, Allira - legally, could the details have actually been released if the case had not been brought?
Are the police allowed to do that?

The media didn't (as far as I know) didn't publish anything of that nature at the time, and it's not generally the case they are unwilling to do so.

It was a show trial and a travesty of justice. I suppose next we will have riots in the area because an "innocent" man was the victim of police brutality.

It may or may not be reasonable or indeed purposeful to ask individuals what they now think.

But the Black Lives Matter movement as a whole is actually very broad and do not all "think the same", you'd have to address concerns to those in the BLM movement who did initially support Kaba.

"The liberal Left has been accused of treating Kaba as an innocent victim of police violence despite his extensive criminal past"

Who on the "liberal left" has treated Kaba "as an innocent victim of police violence despite his extensive criminal past."?
There are plenty of GN's of liberal left who clearly are not treating Kaba thus.

This poor man is a marked man now thanks to the woeful handling of this case which should never have come to court. It has only fuelled the fire to those who think Black Lives Matter more than most. This man's life will never be the same again.,

Wyllow3

It ironical that the truth and details about Kaba' criminal past (and restraining order etc) were only able to be released after the trial.
Had they been immediately available after the shooting there might not have been the same levels of response.

It may have influenced the jury in a case which was bound to cause tensions in some communities.

Of course, had the case never been brought, the details could have been released and probably none of this would have happened.

Wyllow3

I still can't understand why the policeman's name was released. He didnt have to been seen in court, but releasing the name did the damage.

This.
And in my opinion the judge who decided this was remotely acceptable should face an inquiry to ask why he did this.

Also ,
Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbot and Black Lives Matter have been urged to apologise after criticising the police over the shooting of violent gangster Chris Kaba.

The liberal Left has been accused of treating Kaba as an innocent victim of police violence despite his extensive criminal past.

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The judge has much to answer for in allowing the police officer's name to be released - was he inacapable of envisaging what the outcome might be?

Whst is so awful is that a bounty had been put on the head of the policeman who shot kaba, he will now have to live in fear . If I was armed response I would hand my gun in as they are not protected