Not sure all is a above board on the Green Energy front under Labour

And we all do what we can with our recycling while the recycling industry is run by crooks.
There are huge dumps of illegal waste all over the uk.
www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/jan/23/buried-bbc-podcast-exposing-waste-rubbish-crime-scandal

OldFrill
I hope someone knows that the world is running out of sand. 🤷‍♀️

madalene

Mmmm, that’s interesting GrannyGravy.
Doesn’t sound very democratic.
I think EM is completely the wrong person to be in charge of our Green Energy programme as I think he is a zealot. He is incapable of considering the repercussions for the population, especially the poor.

It is no different from the days of nationalised industries.

I worked for British Gas when it was nationalised. The company was run by its commercial and technical managers. The government formed a broad energy policy for the country and the nationalised industries fitted in that.

The decision to stop building coal fired power stations was a govenment decision. Using gas instead of coal was a government decision, but the timescale for closing down coal fired stations and in what order was a commercial decision. Building gas fired power stations, size, location, source of gas was a commercial decision.

I see no reason why this organisation should do more than direct the broad policy of energy supply.

Too many alarmists driven by their aversion to this current government. Not my choice either but Itry to examine their policies and think them through in an impartial way.

Of course not - what matters is a commitment to move forward, as best possible.
There's another thread running on "should we even have children with climate change horrors" and its clear much is to be done - giving up isnt an option..

To be honest we do not want to cut off our nose to spite our face. To just suddenly stop using coal and oil when the alternatives, wind and solar power are not ready to power the whole country, and by the time it is hydrogen power will be the new thing and will we all be ready for that. I doubt it!

All I can say is that we talked about wind power with him last time.
I'm sure we will do so again at some point.

I will ask next time I see him - but it may be some long time I fear OldFrill as I'm not in regular contact with him at all.
I do see him occasionally maybe once a year...

Well that needs sorting, as in finding ways of adding to current foundations to support the bigger new ones.

NotSpaghetti

No, OldFrill I don't think so.
Could be wrong but he worked in Formula 1 research initially....

Could you ask your expert acquaintance what happens after the 25 years (the newer ones may last 25 years, older ones 10+ years - not because they become defunct but because they are ever being replaced with larger versions). What becomes of the ground they stand in - more precisely the 600-1000 TONS of concrete each turbine needs to stand upright? Apparently that's just left in place and yet another 600 - 1000 TONS of concrete is poured into the ground to support a newer version.
There's nothing green about concrete.
Over 11,500 turbines
600 - 1000 tons of concrete EACH
Mind boggling destruction of natural land.

No, OldFrill I don't think so.
Could be wrong but he worked in Formula 1 research initially....

Ed Miliband was Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change from 2008 - 10 too.

He wasn't very good at answering correspondence back then, hope he's more on the ball now.

NotSpaghetti

OldFrill newer wind turbines are working 25 plus years (before "extension").
I know this from the son of a friend whose speciality is turbines - not just the "eco" sort.

If he's anything to do with renewable he'll be trained to give the most optimistic picture. I heard that from a son of a cashier in the bookies 🙄🙄 don't usually like to use one upwomanship though.

Wyllow3

*UK is going to make undersea cable (when the factory is built) run it to Morocco to import solar energy*

It's on a proposals list not a definite list. No decision made by Secretary of State and a decision would be some years away because of all the planning permission obstacles to be passed before it's even "on the cards' for a decision
(BBC article this September).

(think its daft myself, but thought I should put the record straight)

Planning permission was granted two years ago and grants/investments have been/are still ongoing. Staff have been appointed.
I don't object to the cabling factory but l don't see how importing energy from Morocco helps energy independence. Plus it's costing a fortune so any belief energy will be cheaper is an absolute fallacy.
The link is to the planning permission granted 2022 but more up to date info re grants etc is easily googled
xlcc.co.uk/2022/06/factory-planning-approval-north-ayrshire/

What about the enormous changes in the climate during our short lifetimes? We cannot ignore those.

Please, please, please - 'global warming' is a scam, a gravy train for many companies (think Blackrock, who mine lithium for batteries and many others) and a way to guilt-trip us all into agreeing to what will amount to the destruction of our country. Plenty of reputable scientists (who have lost their jobs) have come out to put the other point of view. Why are they silenced and demonised?? Why cannot the science - which is an ever-moving feast, anyway - be publicly debated? Doesn't it make you wonder? (Take a look at 'Climate Change, the Cold Truth, if it's still out there on YouTube). And do you not wonder why, if things are so dire, houses are still being built without solar panels on the roof, while vast tracts of good land are being requisitioned for solar farms? And why more is not being done to plant trees, which are fantastic in so many ways? Carbon is not a killer - in the eras when there was more carbon in the atmosphere the world was much greener. Carbon feeds plants. But we have all this hysteria about Net Zero while pollution proliferates regardless and the planet is being harmed in many, many ways, not least by solar farms and wind-farms. Something else is going on. Wake up, while we still have a world to wake up to.

OldFrill newer wind turbines are working 25 plus years (before "extension").
I know this from the son of a friend whose speciality is turbines - not just the "eco" sort.

madalene

Because no one would be boasting about knowing people he worked with unless they approved of him. Simple!

Er no, sorry to disappoint, but I wasn't boasting. Simply saying that people whose judgement I respect had said how knowledgeable and focused Ed Miliband is on green issues.
It is clear though that what I have said has been subsequently misrepresented, so I will leave you to it.

I have definitely worked with people that I neither liked nor "approved of".

I didn't read the comment as "boasting" either though.
It was a simple statement I thought.

Because no one would be boasting about knowing people he worked with unless they approved of him. Simple!

Madalene
If you know people who have worked with EM, you are bound to approve of him.

Why?
I don't think that's at all logical!

It’s on a proposals list, presumably means they’re going to consider it.
Really?

UK is going to make undersea cable (when the factory is built) run it to Morocco to import solar energy

It's on a proposals list not a definite list. No decision made by Secretary of State and a decision would be some years away because of all the planning permission obstacles to be passed before it's even "on the cards' for a decision
(BBC article this September).

(think its daft myself, but thought I should put the record straight)

Oreo

madalene

What’s France doing to up its game?

If you know people who have worked with EM, you are bound to approve of him.

Other people are allowed to think whatever they like about EM without being called deeply unpleasant or haters.

Sticking a few solar panels in supermarket car parks apparently
🤔
Of course I need to give evidence in court for Mamie as to why I and others don’t rate EM😂
It’s great to be enthusiastic about green energy but there are human considerations to pushing this agenda too far and too quickly.

France does not have a renewable energy issue they have had most electricity generated by Nuclear for many decades. EDF the nationalized energy company also run our nuclear generation.

France is very busy extending the lives of all there current nuclear plants (50+ reactors), bringing on 6 new ones and planning many (around 20) more. That should guarantee their energy independence.
UK is going to make undersea cable (when the factory is built) run it to Morocco to import solar energy. So much for energy independence
UK will be busy turning upcycling thousands of massive turbine blades into furniture as they only have a life of 10-25 years, and perfecting the currently unknown territory of extinguishing fires in mammoth battery storage facilities.

Hopefully Starmer will rein him back.