Trump wanting us to ditch Europe.

They didn't work out, simply time to go back to favourable trade deals with nearest neighbours not those halfway round the world.

Fleurpepper I thought the big Boris Johnson promise was that we would be free to make our own trade deals with? India? Australia? It sounded so plausible at the time….. although our trade deals don’t seem to be very stacked up by now so still waiting I guess.

Fleurpepper

And what would you do with your Reform friends Freya?

We have always known that 'cake and eat it' will never work. Actually, to some extent, the UK did have it - kept own currency and other exceptions- which no-one had. But chose to throw it all away for what?

How arrogant of you to assume anything about me.

And what would you do with your Reform friends Freya?

We have always known that 'cake and eat it' will never work. Actually, to some extent, the UK did have it - kept own currency and other exceptions- which no-one had. But chose to throw it all away for what?

Wyllow3

Sarnia

Democratic vote by the British people to leave the EU. Nothing to discuss.

At ease - I haven't read anyone here suggest a re joining, just good trade and security relationships.

Uhm, all on the EUs terms I would say. Starmer will roll over very easily and not argue at all.

Dickens

Sarnia

Democratic vote by the British people to leave the EU. Nothing to discuss.

There is always something to discuss, if a decision taken has a negative effect on our economy later down the line. Doesn't matter what the issue is, no government is bound by the decisions taken by the previous one.

If the political and global landscape changes, we have every right to discuss our relationship with Europe, and the EU.

Brexit is not set in stone for all time. Democracy doesn't work like that, so if we want to discuss it, we will.

well said Dickens

Sarnia

Democratic vote by the British people to leave the EU. Nothing to discuss.

There is always something to discuss, if a decision taken has a negative effect on our economy later down the line. Doesn't matter what the issue is, no government is bound by the decisions taken by the previous one.

If the political and global landscape changes, we have every right to discuss our relationship with Europe, and the EU.

Brexit is not set in stone for all time. Democracy doesn't work like that, so if we want to discuss it, we will.

Sarnia You may think that the vote to leave was democratic, but the majority was very far from meaningful. My local council demands a 60/40% majority to change resident parking regulations, something which is rather less important than Brexit.

As things stand it was made clear during our election that re joining was not the option, it was good trading relations, a secure Europe.

(I also wish we hadn't left, but things have changed so much)

Sarnia

Democratic vote by the British people to leave the EU. Nothing to discuss.

Just look how well that worked out! What a disaster.

LizzieDrip

Sarnia if the outcome of a democratic vote means ‘nothing to discuss’, why is there thread after thread on GN moaning about discussing the outcome of our recent democratic election?

Indeed, and democracy means things change, people change- and especially demographics.

Democracy means the discussion goes on, and if and when the vast majority of people have changed their mind, combined with demographic change (eg many of those who were in favour have died, and are replaced by those who could not vote then, now can- and would vote against) - of course there is everything to discuss.

Sarnia

Democratic vote by the British people to leave the EU. Nothing to discuss.

At ease - I haven't read anyone here suggest a re joining, just good trade and security relationships.

Why do people think their country is more important than any other country we are all human beings some bad but mostly good.

Sarnia if the outcome of a democratic vote means ‘nothing to discuss’, why is there thread after thread on GN moaning about discussing the outcome of our recent democratic election?

The only similarity we have with the USA is that we speak English. There is no special relationship. That went out of the window long ago. We are culturally closer to Europe even if not linguistically.

I don't think the vast majority of people who voted for Brexit had any thoughts on how it would affect the economy or even how it would affect the supply chain of what they buy, it was all about illegal immigration , unfortunately and that is a completely different issue as those in power since have found that they can not control.

Sarnia

Democratic vote by the British people to leave the EU. Nothing to discuss.

I second that 👍

Democratic vote by the British people to leave the EU. Nothing to discuss.

I miss Mark Carney and trust his judgement. I noticed with interest that he was endorsing Rachel Reeve before the election.....

they have been pulling the strings all over Europe, to weaken it, bit by bit - for this very moment. With Ukraine on our doorstep.

As said above. Putin must have been rubbing his hands with glee when we voted for Brexit. He probably gave Farage a pat on his back along with Trump. Our stance must be firm otherwise any trade negotiations with Europe will be scuppered.

Trump, Putin, and the whole lot of them. Which is why they helped orchestrate Brexit, to ensure we were isolated. Typical narcissistic behaviour. Divide and rule.

Of course Trump wants it.
Divide and rule.
Alliance with Farage's views of the UK.
Buy us off with a Trade Deal.

Independent
"A senior economic adviser to Donald Trump has warned the UK that it needs to ditch the “socialist” EU and embrace a trade deal with the US instead, or face tariffs.

The intervention by Stephen Moore appears to be an attempt to force the hand of Sir Keir Starmer in the latest sign that the relationship with the incoming White House administration is going to be painful.

But the prime minister has been urged not to “take the threat on the chin” and to continue to pursue closer ties with the European Union, Britain’s largest export market."

But this would not only cut us off from our European markets but also threaten our Security within Europe, as Trump seems likely to pull out of Nato and our security needs surely lie within Europe

We'd be the tail the dog wags and isolated on both fronts. As if Trump cares.

I certainly wouldn't fancy us nailing our colours to the mast of Trump's US. Americans have completely different ideas from us. They think our right leaning 'centrist' government is verging on communism, for heaven's sake! I think we have far more in common with Europe than we do with the US.

I hope that Starmer is able to say no to Trump.
Trump puts his own country first, yes, that is why he wants us to buy his products instead of EU products. This would be just for his benefit, not ours.