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Allsorts Sun 08-Dec-24 08:22:45

Switching on my radio I listened to some of the people overjoyed at the departure of Assad, I then heard the BBC News. President Assad instead of stopping to fight as he threatened nipped on a plane out of it. I do hope Syria gets peace.

M0nica Tue 10-Dec-24 21:17:40

Netanyahu is firing on Syria because it distracts attention from his appearance in court today on massive corruption charges.

petra Tue 10-Dec-24 19:50:47

MayBee70

Israel are now attacking the Syrian navy. Why?

Netanyahu believes there’s a chance that all the weapons in the country could fall into the hands of Iran.
Personally I believe he just wants to batter anyone who is/ might be against him.
As Rod Stewart wrote:
Never wait or hesitate
Get in kid before it’s to late
You may never get another chance

Wyllow3 Tue 10-Dec-24 19:49:09

MayBee70

Israel are now attacking the Syrian navy. Why?

IMO Israel has gone well beyond defensive measures now, its taken out the main military might of Assad and is attacking those who have suffered so much already.

All it will do is foster hatred - haven't the Syrian people suffered enough already. It didn't and doesnt have to go so far.

M0nica Tue 10-Dec-24 19:39:20

Cath9

Although I didn’t agree with the way Assad treated the Syrians I am concerned now that Syria may become like another Afghanistan

30,000 people may have died at Sednaya prison, near Damascus. Read the stories in this link of the vile tortures and execution of men women and children. www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=prison+in+syria.

Assad is the man who used chemical warfare against his own people. He used chlorine, sarin and mustard gas, indiscriminately.

Then say try saying merely ^ i didn't agree the way Assad treated the Syrians^ I think you may want to use stronger language.

MayBee70 Tue 10-Dec-24 19:32:04

Israel are now attacking the Syrian navy. Why?

Kalm Tue 10-Dec-24 19:31:41

Israel is a belligerent apartheid nation that has murdered 40000+ of its occupied residents. Syria should be allowed a right of self defence as per UN charter for a state, however the new govt must try to ensure innocent civilians and residential places (hospitals , schools, mosques, synagogues and churches anywhere including Israelis, Iranians and Lebanese are not harmed. Hopefully Netanyahu will be tried and correctly proven to be guilty as charged. Once Netanyahu is removed and tried with the rest of the cabinet and generals can make there way to the Hague ICC

Cath9 Tue 10-Dec-24 19:27:24

Although I didn’t agree with the way Assad treated the Syrians I am concerned now that Syria may become like another Afghanistan

David49 Tue 10-Dec-24 17:30:37

The only thing for sure is we don’t know what is going to happen, the US is the only power in the region - assuming Iran stays out of the fighting.

We’ve seen celebrations in Damascus that’s a long way from controlling the whole country, there are other armed groups that need to be eliminated. It would be nice to think everyone will come together peacefully, that has not been the history in the region.

Wyllow3 Tue 10-Dec-24 15:44:43

I'm not in favour of leaving them with no defences at all although given the stockpile include Assad's chemical weapons he'd used on his own population...

Whats going to happen to the two Russian Bases in Syria?
Read this from an hour ago

www.reuters.com/world/satellite-imagery-shows-russian-navy-ships-anchored-off-syrian-coast-2024-12-10/

Presumably pulling out?

I still think that Israel should not continue to advance beyond the buffer zone.

Freya5 Tue 10-Dec-24 14:39:13

silverlining48

In the midst of joy, Israel is bombing Syria, while Netanyahu, has been answering charges in court.

This is why. Biden may have learnt his lesson when he left Afghanistan.
Why are Israel, US and Turkey bombing Syria's airbases after Assad's fall?
Many countries fear powerful weapons left behind by the Assad regime and now in rebel hands could prove detrimental for regional security.

Freya5 Tue 10-Dec-24 14:36:34

silverlining48

In the midst of joy, Israel is bombing Syria, while Netanyahu, has been answering charges in court.

You forgot to add, alongside Turkey and the US.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Tue 10-Dec-24 14:36:20

So is Biden. 75 strikes over the weekend apparently.

silverlining48 Tue 10-Dec-24 14:31:30

In the midst of joy, Israel is bombing Syria, while Netanyahu, has been answering charges in court.

Iam64 Tue 10-Dec-24 14:15:26

As others have said, the
Money is an attempt to stabilise Syria during what will be difficult times. Mandela was a terrorist, many involved in Republican armies in Northern Ireland were committed to the developing Good Friday Agreemdent
There has to be hope in dark days. Syria is a beautiful country where women had rights and various religions coexisted. Let’s hope (even pray) that stability is achieved

Freya5 Tue 10-Dec-24 14:11:14

Wyllow3

Freya5

Foxyferret

I think the rebel leader is allegedly an ex terrorist now reformed. Kier Starmer has committed to giving them eleven million pounds but surely he should wait awhile to see how things pan out. There was some mention of the new leader making shariah law the norm which is a bit worrying.

That's a stupid move. Yet he can't find the money to pay WFA, or give 300 million to fund the police properly, or pay for better defence. Yet Starmer grovelling to a jihad with 11million of our tax payers money. I know where I would rather our money be spent, and it's not to Syria. Let the other middle east countries empty their oil filled pockets and help out their neighbours.

It is not a jihad. A jihad means "Holy War"

Don't you thinks valuable to try and set a situation up where its not a war torn country refugees no longer need to flee Syria and arrive on boats?

Yes I know, spelling misshap.

Wyllow3 Tue 10-Dec-24 13:44:05

The 11 million is to try and help to stabilise the situation amongst the population with immediate needs - food, shelter and so on, to assist the establishment of new governance and make it safer. Its distributed by international aid agencies.

Witzend Tue 10-Dec-24 13:41:45

I gather that he’s fled to Russia.
Brutal dictators stick together.

Foxyferret Tue 10-Dec-24 13:32:27

The sharia law bit was being banded about on X, a lot of discussion about will he, won’t he. I did not say the government should not have discussions with terrorist MayBee70, I just said we should wait awhile before sending financial aid.We all know that leaders often say one thing and then do the opposite.

Sarnia Tue 10-Dec-24 13:31:39

Wyllow3

Freya5

Foxyferret

I think the rebel leader is allegedly an ex terrorist now reformed. Kier Starmer has committed to giving them eleven million pounds but surely he should wait awhile to see how things pan out. There was some mention of the new leader making shariah law the norm which is a bit worrying.

That's a stupid move. Yet he can't find the money to pay WFA, or give 300 million to fund the police properly, or pay for better defence. Yet Starmer grovelling to a jihad with 11million of our tax payers money. I know where I would rather our money be spent, and it's not to Syria. Let the other middle east countries empty their oil filled pockets and help out their neighbours.

It is not a jihad. A jihad means "Holy War"

Don't you thinks valuable to try and set a situation up where its not a war torn country refugees no longer need to flee Syria and arrive on boats?

I do. On BBC News last night there were many who clearly would rather be in their own country. I hope the peaceful future with their own people in a safe Syria that they yearn for actually happens for them.

Wyllow3 Tue 10-Dec-24 13:27:55

Freya5

Foxyferret

I think the rebel leader is allegedly an ex terrorist now reformed. Kier Starmer has committed to giving them eleven million pounds but surely he should wait awhile to see how things pan out. There was some mention of the new leader making shariah law the norm which is a bit worrying.

That's a stupid move. Yet he can't find the money to pay WFA, or give 300 million to fund the police properly, or pay for better defence. Yet Starmer grovelling to a jihad with 11million of our tax payers money. I know where I would rather our money be spent, and it's not to Syria. Let the other middle east countries empty their oil filled pockets and help out their neighbours.

It is not a jihad. A jihad means "Holy War"

Don't you thinks valuable to try and set a situation up where its not a war torn country refugees no longer need to flee Syria and arrive on boats?

Wyllow3 Tue 10-Dec-24 13:22:23

I support the 11 million win aid because it is humanitarian aid designed to get Syria back on its feet.

Our interests are very much involved: we have had an ongoing incoming flow of migrants fleeing the war and we want Syria to be a safe regime, for this and many other reasons, and its an attempt to help stabilise the situation.

madeleine45 Tue 10-Dec-24 13:19:09

Great news about assad. I lived there in Damascus when the father was there. Rotten regime and no one challenged them then hopefully things will be better.

Freya5 Tue 10-Dec-24 13:17:02

Foxyferret

I think the rebel leader is allegedly an ex terrorist now reformed. Kier Starmer has committed to giving them eleven million pounds but surely he should wait awhile to see how things pan out. There was some mention of the new leader making shariah law the norm which is a bit worrying.

That's a stupid move. Yet he can't find the money to pay WFA, or give 300 million to fund the police properly, or pay for better defence. Yet Starmer grovelling to a jihad with 11million of our tax payers money. I know where I would rather our money be spent, and it's not to Syria. Let the other middle east countries empty their oil filled pockets and help out their neighbours.

Wyllow3 Tue 10-Dec-24 13:17:01

Foxyferret

I think the rebel leader is allegedly an ex terrorist now reformed. Kier Starmer has committed to giving them eleven million pounds but surely he should wait awhile to see how things pan out. There was some mention of the new leader making shariah law the norm which is a bit worrying.

Can you give the source of this "some mention

Jolani has not been calling for Sharia Law in Syria.

I quoted this upthread yesterday.

“Meanwhile yesterday "on Sunday, in what appeared to be coordinated statements, Syria’s prime minister Mohammad Ghazi al-Jalali said that he was at his home and promised to cooperate with “any leadership chosen by the Syrian people”,

while rebel leaders said that public institutions remained under the supervision of the “former prime minister”.

Jolani, meanwhile, said that his fighters should not harm “those who drop their weapons” and assured women and Christians that he does not intend to impose strict Islamic law

This is why Western nations are pro accepting discussions with him.

reference: 

in timeline www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/dec/09/syria-bashar-al-assad-asylum-russia-live-updates-blog?filterKeyEvents=false&page=with%3Ablock-675694478f0896ed0c237ba9#block-675694478f0896ed0c237ba9

GrannyGravy13 Tue 10-Dec-24 13:15:54

Foxyferret

I think the rebel leader is allegedly an ex terrorist now reformed. Kier Starmer has committed to giving them eleven million pounds but surely he should wait awhile to see how things pan out. There was some mention of the new leader making shariah law the norm which is a bit worrying.

According to The Guardian, the new leader of Syria has two identities.

Abu Mohammed Al-Jolani who fought for the Jihadists against the USA in Iran.

Or

Born as Ahmed Al-Shira who grew up in a prosperous area of Damascus and studied medicine.

Sending £’s in the millions to Syria should be paused until we know more about the new regime, just like all Syrian asylum applications have.