Trevor Phillips - Tory mouthpiece or just thick?

Pinches of salt vary depending on both the writer and the source.
Certainly a a huge dose of sea salt is required!

The Guardian is a centrist paper, and there is nothing wrong with that
Centre-left.
Rather different from absolute centrist. The Guardian is to the left of centre.

No, Mollygo is the only person who can claim objectivity or centrism - everyone else is rabid and 'decrying' others or 'excusing' the 'side' they are on.
🤔 not sure if some of these remarks are unacceptable, verging on personal attacks.
They are quite frequent and very noticeable.

Galaxy

I dont read newspapers, I will read articles from the observer and the times on occassion, but not regularly.

I think the days of traditional newspapers are fading quite rapidly, because news is more instant now. I wouldn’t dismiss any of them out if hand though, because it’s good to read different takes on the same happening. Pinches of salt vary depending on both the writer and the source.

MayBee70

Allira

Trevor Phillips - Tory mouthpiece or just thick?

A very strange OP heading as most people would say neither.

PoliticsNerd- what is your motive? 🤔

Fairness, perhaps?

What?
Insinuating a public figure is either biased or thick?

Is that fair? Not as far as I'm concerned.

I dont read newspapers, I will read articles from the observer and the times on occassion, but not regularly.

I don’t claim anything, though I’ve noticed a tendency recently for Doodledog and others to ascribe things to me that they’ve decided I mean.
Carry on do. It won’t make it any more true.

What do you prefer Galaxy? I think most are like the curate’s egg. Some have more good parts than others though.

The guardian made this centrist run for the hills, some of its positions were bonkers.

Casdon

Mollygo

petal53

But it’s certainly not right wing, and left is the opposite of right.

Yes but right wing is an OK accusation, whereas left wing must be modified so as not to be offensive.

I have no idea what you mean Mollygo, can you explain? Surely right wing is to the extreme of the right, and left wing is to the extreme of the left - in my world anyway.

No, Mollygo is the only person who can claim objectivity or centrism - everyone else is rabid and 'decrying' others or 'excusing' the 'side' they are on.

The Guardian is a centrist paper, and there is nothing wrong with that. There is nothing wrong with a paper being right wing either, but let's not pretend that there is a balance where the UK press is concerned. There isn't and never has been. But crack on with the pretence of objectivity - it is very obviously false to everyone else, though.

Everyone should at least their bias - everyone has one. Those who claim to be 'in the middle', or think they are 'able to see both sides' of every issue are kidding themselves.

It is blatantly obvious that he isnt thick so I am not sure fairness covers that statement.

Allira

*Trevor Phillips - Tory mouthpiece or just thick?*

A very strange OP heading as most people would say neither.

PoliticsNerd- what is your motive? 🤔

Fairness, perhaps?

Trevor Phillips - Tory mouthpiece or just thick?

A very strange OP heading as most people would say neither.

PoliticsNerd- what is your motive? 🤔

The hatred of Stoma?
Who is it who mentions hating him or any other politician?
Hating what they do is different.

petal53

No, right wing is not extreme right, nor is left wing extreme left. They are both simply right or left, the opposite of one another.
Extreme right wing is far right, and extreme left wing is communism.

I don’t agree. The right wing of the Tories is Suella Braverman et al, the left wing of the Labour Party is hmm, Diane Abbott et al. The majority of Gransnetters who post are not right or left wing, they are right or left of centre.

One can’t run with the hares and the hounds. However, I think most people have a pretty sceptical view of politics in general, and what upsets us, whichever side we’re on, is criticism which is not rooted in the reality of whatever situation the government of the day is facing. What drives me crazy is when posters make statements which purport to be facts but are untrue. It takes seconds to check, but the untruths keep on coming.

Mollygo

MayBee70

In my experience Labour voters and party members are far more critical of their party than Conservative voters/party members and Labour MP’s are far more prone to voting against the whip, too.

Not in my experience though.
I heard lots of criticism of the last government by Conservative voters.
On GN, I notice more defence than criticism of the LP by its supporters, though I suppose GN isn’t really a valid source.

I’m not sure that there’s a lack of criticism from Labour supporters. I can only speak for how I feel personally and that is they’ve only been in government for a few months but are being blamed for so many of the problems they inherited from the last government. And that I’m not expecting all of the problems to be solved overnight. Especially as there is so much upheaval going on in other parts of the world, too. And I feel the hatred aimed at Starmer is uncalled for. We didn’t like Trevor Phillips style of interviewing when there was a Conservative government, either.

On GN, I notice more defence than criticism of the LP supporters

You’re not the only one to notice either. LP supporters seem extremely defensive of our government, and will not have any criticism, whereas the previous government was frequently criticised by CP supporters, including myself. I criticised and still do, much of their actions and the effect on ordinary people. The NHS, the water companies, the pot holes, and I could go on. They let us down, but I think this government has made a poor start. I’m hoping for improvement though.

No, right wing is not extreme right, nor is left wing extreme left. They are both simply right or left, the opposite of one another.
Extreme right wing is far right, and extreme left wing is communism.

MayBee70

In my experience Labour voters and party members are far more critical of their party than Conservative voters/party members and Labour MP’s are far more prone to voting against the whip, too.

Not in my experience though.
I heard lots of criticism of the last government by Conservative voters.
On GN, I notice more defence than criticism of the LP by its supporters, though I suppose GN isn’t really a valid source.

petra

MayBee70

As my partner just pointed out you should either write newspaper articles or you interview people: you can’t do both. Did Paxman write for newspapers? I don’t seem to remember people knowing where he stood politically at the time. Although, to be fair I think Peston is obviously more to the left politically but not sure if he writes newspaper articles?

MayBee70
Perhaps you could show your partner these excellent articles written by Trevor Phillips for The Times.

www.thetimes.com/profile/trevor-phillips

He reads The Times every day. To be honest we must be a bit thick because we don’t know what he’s talking about a lot of the time. Does Kuensberg write newspaper articles? Or Beth Rigby? I do like the way that Sophie Ridge interviews people. I just feel that interviewers are being much more aggressive towards the current government than they were to the previous one with it’s numerous leaders. I hold up my hands and say I will be biased towards Labour, but then I think most people approach most things from a biased position.

Mollygo

petal53

But it’s certainly not right wing, and left is the opposite of right.

Yes but right wing is an OK accusation, whereas left wing must be modified so as not to be offensive.

I have no idea what you mean Mollygo, can you explain? Surely right wing is to the extreme of the right, and left wing is to the extreme of the left - in my world anyway.

MayBee70

As my partner just pointed out you should either write newspaper articles or you interview people: you can’t do both. Did Paxman write for newspapers? I don’t seem to remember people knowing where he stood politically at the time. Although, to be fair I think Peston is obviously more to the left politically but not sure if he writes newspaper articles?

MayBee70
Perhaps you could show your partner these excellent articles written by Trevor Phillips for The Times.

www.thetimes.com/profile/trevor-phillips

I like TP and he is a highly intelligent man. AR would have been better as local councillor, not an MP.

petal53

But it’s certainly not right wing, and left is the opposite of right.

Yes but right wing is an OK accusation, whereas left wing must be modified so as not to be offensive.

But it’s certainly not right wing, and left is the opposite of right.