How could we have let Sara down so badly?

Far worse Iam , listening to the judge , I wish I hadn’t listened

Yes, I can imagine. I’ve read and heard judgements, never failed to be impressed by the forensic detail and analysis, and compassion, in this case for Sara. One point he stressed was the fact her abuse took place in front of the other children. Terrifying -

It was cultural. It was a whole family in collusion against a ten year old child who was brave and defiant, and they colluded as the father beat, literally, the living daylights out of her; systematic torture. The father, the stepmother, the uncle, the step aunts, even her own brother; the relatives in Pakistan who hid the family. I listened to every word, and I won't ever forget it.

I'm not sure harming a child then tending to their injuries is a cultural issue.

No more than starving poor little Daniel Pelka to death was a cultural issue.

Too distressing for words.

The judge spoke of culture ,

Did the Judge mean a culture of abuse within the step mothers family or did he mean cultural ie Muslim and|or Pakistani

The judge was meticulous in spelling out how he couldn't "double count" some of the offences when he was working the sentence tariffs out.

Unspoken but plain as day meaning:

Looking at you, defence counsel.
Don't even think about lodging an appeal 😠

I worked amongst Bangladeshi Muslims and the culture amongst them was to cherish their children, boys and girls. I never had a Bangladeshi child in my care (teaching) who was under Social Services. Maybe Pakistani culture is different, I don’t know. Apparently the judge mentioned culture, but I didn’t hear the judgement.

Poor, poor little Sara. My heart hurts thinking of what she endured.

My three grandchildren have just arrived from New Zealand yesterday with their mother. I’ve been out with them today buying Christmas presents from them for their mum.
I couldn’t harm a single hair on their heads (and neither could any of the grandparents on here, I’m sure.)

I have posted a link to what the judge actually said, it makes very difficult reading. Sharif is clearly a vile, sadistic excuse for a human with a long history of abusive and violent behaviour. Below is a small section of the summing up.
"I am satisfied that you assaulted former partners and a partner’s child, and had behaved in a controlling or coercive manner towards them, though you have no convictions for this. You have a history of preying on vulnerable women, including doing so in order to obtain permanent residence in this country"
www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/The-King-v-Sharif-Batool-and-Malik.pd

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www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/The-King-v-Sharif-Batool-and-Malik.pdf

The f was missing off pdf. Try the above

petal53

I worked amongst Bangladeshi Muslims and the culture amongst them was to cherish their children, boys and girls. I never had a Bangladeshi child in my care (teaching) who was under Social Services. Maybe Pakistani culture is different, I don’t know. Apparently the judge mentioned culture, but I didn’t hear the judgement.

Poor, poor little Sara. My heart hurts thinking of what she endured.

I live and worked in a town with a large Muslim population of Pakistani origin. There were cultural differences, gender, toys, diet etc but the core values were universal. Children were a blessing to be nurtured and kept safe. Children attended school, education seen as key. About 40% of referrals to children’s social care come from schools it’s worth remembering neglect and physical abuse in that community wasn’t a ‘cultural’ issue.
I haven’t read the judgement and will do as I’m not sure if the Judge meant abuse was part of the culture in the step mothers family, or within the community

Children are a blessing in the Christian faith, this has never stopped some Christians from abusing children.

With respect this defence of all Muslims is strange, I have never said abuse is part of Muslim faith , I am sure abuse can be found in all faiths and non faith

Iam64

petal53

I worked amongst Bangladeshi Muslims and the culture amongst them was to cherish their children, boys and girls. I never had a Bangladeshi child in my care (teaching) who was under Social Services. Maybe Pakistani culture is different, I don’t know. Apparently the judge mentioned culture, but I didn’t hear the judgement.

Poor, poor little Sara. My heart hurts thinking of what she endured.

I live and worked in a town with a large Muslim population of Pakistani origin. There were cultural differences, gender, toys, diet etc but the core values were universal. Children were a blessing to be nurtured and kept safe. Children attended school, education seen as key. About 40% of referrals to children’s social care come from schools it’s worth remembering neglect and physical abuse in that community wasn’t a ‘cultural’ issue.
I haven’t read the judgement and will do as I’m not sure if the Judge meant abuse was part of the culture in the step mothers family, or within the community

Agreed.

The judge did describe the abuse being part of life in her. family not the community.

Did he not speak of culture and her family?

Anniebach

Children are a blessing in the Christian faith, this has never stopped some Christians from abusing children.

With respect this defence of all Muslims is strange, I have never said abuse is part of Muslim faith , I am sure abuse can be found in all faiths and non faith

The defence is actually a challenge of the constant attacks on all things Muslim. I don't find it strange that people try to have rational discussions rather than one-sided attacks.

Anniebach

Did he not speak of culture and her family?

You can read the judgement for yourself.

You jest, no faith comes under attack on GransNet more than
Christianity ,

The judge probably meant the family culture was violent. Which it clearly was although it appears to have been instigated by Sharif. That’s one reason I think it would be better to get the other children home to Britain. We don’t know if Sharif’s father was a violent man and it is said he has care of the children.

Anniebach

You jest, no faith comes under attack on GransNet more than
Christianity ,

No, I'm not jesting.

Just heard the sentences. I hope they get them in prison. Don't think we should be paying for those for the rest of their lives. They are despicable and beyond redemption.

Quote petal53 Tue 17-Dec-24 22:36:33
The judge probably meant the family culture was violent. Which it clearly was although it appears to have been instigated by Sharif. That’s one reason I think it would be better to get the other children home to Britain. We don’t know if Sharif’s father was a violent man and it is said he has care of the children

The judge said culture and family not culture in the family,
Sara’s elder brother and 4 children of the step mother, I fear for them

Don’t forget the poor little girl was taken away from her European white mother and given to her father because she abused her
That poor child knew nothing but abuse in her short life There has GOT to be more intervention in suspected cases of abuse people visiting the home regularly and definitely no home schooling I think that is a real curse
Little Isobella was white British as was her mother and boyfriend, abuse knows no colours, no cultures, it is happening in all countries, cultures, religions

It has to be brought under control

Thank you for clarification Annie.